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  1. #1
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    UCCNC and arcs

    Used bobcad-cam to create an embossed image, ran the toolpath and posted it. UCCNC does not recognize any of the K arcs. Does the K arc not work with the Z-axis in UCCNC?

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    UCCNC only supports G17. G18 and G19 are not supported. And better yet, when it comes across a G18 or G19, it does a G17 move! It would be really nice if it threw up a warning when it was loading the code that G18's or 19's are present. I've ruined a couple of expensive workpieces when my CAM software inserted a G18 or G19 in there.
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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    The newest not released yet version DOES alert you to ANY gcode that UCCNC does not understand or support and gives you several options.

    (;-) TP

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    So im under the impression that UCCNC is incompatible with the slice planar inside bobcad-cam.

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Uc is incapable of doing any z arc code but not totally incompatible with slice planer
    if you uncheck arc fit for slice planer then bobcad will put out short line segments rather than arcs . Not efficient but it's an option
    A poet knows no boundary yet he is bound to the boundaries of ones own mind !! ........

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Well it added 1300 new lines. Ill see how it runs.

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Quote Originally Posted by jcarpenter2 View Post
    Well it added 1300 new lines..
    You got off easy . Be sure to keep the tolerance setting in bcad tight , otherwise the planer cuts could end up looking like crap if your metal machining
    A poet knows no boundary yet he is bound to the boundaries of ones own mind !! ........

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Sorry digressing slightly, can anyone tell me why I find small ijk arcs uccnc cuts nice and smooth but I cut a large 1200x2400mm oval and it was jerking badly.

    The control pc is a quad core and fairly fast. If it wasn't up to it I'd be surprised.

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    An oval is not an arc. An oval can be made from small lines only and how smooth and precise that will be cut depends on your trajectory settings.

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon.N.CNC View Post
    Sorry digressing slightly, can anyone tell me why I find small ijk arcs uccnc cuts nice and smooth but I cut a large 1200x2400mm oval and it was jerking badly.

    The control pc is a quad core and fairly fast. If it wasn't up to it I'd be surprised.
    It's probably your CV settings. Does your maximum error and corner tolerance match? I've found that if they don't match you get jerky motion.
    -Andy B.
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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon.N.CNC View Post
    Sorry digressing slightly, can anyone tell me why I find small ijk arcs uccnc cuts nice and smooth but I cut a large 1200x2400mm oval and it was jerking badly.

    .
    your code shouldnt have k arcs because they are unsupported , which is why you need to uncheck arc fit in bobcad
    A poet knows no boundary yet he is bound to the boundaries of ones own mind !! ........

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Sorry Is js g17 arcs. I'll have to double check but I'm almost certain the oval was made up of arcs. Will look into cv rate etc thanks

    Edit..Just checked the gcode was made up of

    G1 X + y
    G2 X + y + I + j

    Is this ok with ucnc? The oval was correct just jerky. Should the i + j arcs not been in there?

    Linear error max & corner error max both 0.03 :s

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    How much video memory do you have ? Is it an integrated video ?? The older screens that ran from Flash can be a memory hog and can cause problems . That is all fixed in the newest version as well. They optimized it to run across a very wide platform of PCs and video setups.

    By teh way 1-2gb video cards are CHEAP today $30-40 and they can make a world of difference.

    Just a thought, (;-) TP

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmax549 View Post
    How much video memory do you have ? Is it an integrated video ?? The older screens that ran from Flash can be a memory hog and can cause problems . That is all fixed in the newest version as well. They optimized it to run across a very wide platform of PCs and video setups.

    By teh way 1-2gb video cards are CHEAP today $30-40 and they can make a world of difference.

    Just a thought, (;-) TP
    Yeah just integrated dell Inspiron laptop graphics. I'm surprised graphics has much to do with when the dro's keep up with the code.

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Well it looked like crap. Went back to bobcad-cam, used a smaller bit, tightened the tolerance considerably and ran it again. When I posted that file in bobcad-cam, the line count went up considerably. Ran the new code for 3.5 hours on my machine and it still looked like crap. I have watched hours and hours of bobcad-cam videos, hours of gcode videos, hours of reading threads here and on a few other forums, and yet I feel like im barely scratching the surface of cnc. It doesn't help that many of the hours ive spent researching and learning that I have to filter out the crap people post, and then there is frustrating situations like uccnc not using "k" arcs. Or Bobcad videos that show how easy something is and then come to find out that "oh, you only have the standard bobart and not the professional so you cant do that either". Yadda, yadda, yadda.

    End of small insignificant rant

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Welcome to the world of DIY CNC. CNC is not an instant oatmeal function . It has a steep learning curve in 4-5 different areas ALL at teh same time.

    But many have master it and so can you.

    (;-) TP

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    NOW when you say it looked like crap what exactly does that mean ??? Also Bobcad is known for poor quality post . What post were you using as I dought there was a UCCNC post in Bobcad. Did the post turn ON CV in Gcode or maybe it turned it OFF ??

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Here is what i mean.
    Pic1 is the dxf
    Pic2 is the emboss
    Pic3 is what it looked like. I ran it in two segmants, the first was with an 1/8 bullnose for the roughcut. The second run was with a 1/16th bit with much tighter tolerances.
    Here is a brief view of the code using mach3 post processor.
    (BEGIN PREDATOR NC HEADER)
    (MACH_FILE=HAAS - 3XVMILL.MCH)
    (MTOOL T1 S1 D.0625 H2. A0. C0. DIAM_OFFSET 1 = .0313)
    (SBOX X0. Y-4.2498 Z-1. L7.248 W4.2515 H1.)
    (END PREDATOR NC HEADER)

    %
    O100
    (PROGRAM NUMBER)
    (PROGRAM NAME - GONE FISHING.NC)
    (POST - MACH 3 MILL NO ATC)
    (DATE - SUN. 02/07/2016)
    (TIME - 05:43PM)

    N01 G20 G40 G49 G54 G80 G90 G91.1
    ;N02 G53 Z0.

    (JOB 1 SLICE CUT PLANAR)
    (FEATURE SLICE PLANAR)

    ;N03 T1 M6
    N04 S1252 M03
    N05 G00 G90 G54 X0. Y.0018
    ;N06 G43 H1 Z.3
    N07 G01 Z0. F2.023
    N08 X7.248 F19.5447
    N09 Y-.008
    N10 X0.
    N11 Y-.018
    N12 X7.248
    N13 Y-.028
    N14 X0.
    N33 X3.1137 Z-.0062
    N34 X3.1144
    N35 X3.1171 Z-.0087
    N36 X3.1655 Z-.0175
    N114623 X0.
    N114624 Y-4.178
    N114625 X7.248
    N114626 Y-4.188
    N114627 X0.
    N114628 Y-4.198
    N114639 X0.
    N114640 Y-4.2498
    N114641 X7.248
    N114642 G00 Z.3
    N114643 M05
    ;N114644 G53 Z0.
    ;N114645 G53 Y0.

    (END OF PROGRAM)

    N114646 M30
    %
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcarpenter2 View Post
    Here is what i mean.
    Pic1 is the dxf
    Pic2 is the emboss
    Pic3 is what it looked like. I ran it in two segmants, the first was with an 1/8 bullnose for the roughcut. The second run was with a 1/16th bit with much tighter tolerances.
    Here is a brief view of the code using mach3 post processor.
    (BEGIN PREDATOR NC HEADER)
    (MACH_FILE=HAAS - 3XVMILL.MCH)
    (MTOOL T1 S1 D.0625 H2. A0. C0. DIAM_OFFSET 1 = .0313)
    (SBOX X0. Y-4.2498 Z-1. L7.248 W4.2515 H1.)
    (END PREDATOR NC HEADER)

    %
    O100
    (PROGRAM NUMBER)
    (PROGRAM NAME - GONE FISHING.NC)
    (POST - MACH 3 MILL NO ATC)
    (DATE - SUN. 02/07/2016)
    (TIME - 05:43PM)

    N01 G20 G40 G49 G54 G80 G90 G91.1
    ;N02 G53 Z0.

    (JOB 1 SLICE CUT PLANAR)
    (FEATURE SLICE PLANAR)

    ;N03 T1 M6
    N04 S1252 M03
    N05 G00 G90 G54 X0. Y.0018
    ;N06 G43 H1 Z.3
    N07 G01 Z0. F2.023
    N08 X7.248 F19.5447
    N09 Y-.008
    N10 X0.
    N11 Y-.018
    N12 X7.248
    N13 Y-.028
    N14 X0.
    N33 X3.1137 Z-.0062
    N34 X3.1144
    N35 X3.1171 Z-.0087
    N36 X3.1655 Z-.0175
    N114623 X0.
    N114624 Y-4.178
    N114625 X7.248
    N114626 Y-4.188
    N114627 X0.
    N114628 Y-4.198
    N114639 X0.
    N114640 Y-4.2498
    N114641 X7.248
    N114642 G00 Z.3
    N114643 M05
    ;N114644 G53 Z0.
    ;N114645 G53 Y0.

    (END OF PROGRAM)

    N114646 M30
    %
    Not really enough code there to say what's going on. Do you have g17 I J arcs allowed?

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    Re: UCCNC and arcs

    Theres a 115,000 lines, so i got rid of all the stuff in the middle (nothing but x, y, z movements). No arcs, because bobcad-cam used g18 codes and tried to use the k code arc which i found out uccnc does not recognize. Hence i ran bobcad-cam without the arc fit and as you see with the picture, that is what was produced. Now i must say, maybe there is some user error since i am still new to all this.

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