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    Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Hi all,

    First time writer, long time reader - Please be gentle
    I got a 96 Avenger 250MT w/Acramatic 850SX. I've been getting the dreadful 00431;00430;00453 errors. Not in that sequence. I'm pretty sure it's the resolver.
    Do I have options to get a new one aftermarket? Fives said the PN is not being manufactured anymore
    Machine killer??
    I'm not using the C axis very much so is there a way to bypass the C axis on the machine and just make it a 2 axis machine X&Z?

    Or if anybody has a new idea.... I'm all ears

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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Anybody???

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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    What is the part No.? Do you have a Pic?
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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Absolutely,

    Here is a pic of the spindle on the machine and a little history:

    Warming up the machine in the morning and in about .5hr into it I got a 00431 error.
    Shut down machine, wiggled some wires/cables unplugged plugs from the resolver to amplifier and amplifier to machine board.
    Reboot machine it starts giving me a 00453.
    After talking to Fives numerous times he said:
    1- doesn't know the machine
    2- the resolver is not manufactured anymore Reference Resolver Part Number, 3-424-2094A ( H.1018.2294).
    3- I'm still waiting for answers how to "get rid of C axis"

    He did supply me with a PDF(that I can't seem to upload due to size) that showed me a bypass that gets plugged into the plug that goes from the amplifier to the machine board (pictured).
    I plugged it in and now the machine gives me a 00431-which after talking to a new guru on these machines (different company) told me that the machine is looking for "homing C axis" and since there is bypass I'm trying to find out how to make the machine not know that there is a C axis.

    In another words I'm only using the C axis about 5% of the programs. I can part with it for now. Is there a way to have the machine not know that it doesn't have the C axis anymore for now.

    Thank you for listening to my problems :-)
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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    I have a few resolvers kicking around, they are made by Tamagawa Japan, I have no spec's on them.
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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Do they look anything like the one pictured?
    Do you know what machine they came off of?

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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Try to contact Greg Wood on this site, he may have a solution. Maybe you could use the spindle motor encoder??. The original feedback was from Heidenhain Corporation (847) 490-1191, you should contact them. You should put a scope on the feedback and see what the problem is and clean it. This has been a problem on this lathe and I am sure someone has a solution.

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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    I do not see any pic.
    Here is the ones I have.
    Approx 1" - 1.25" dia
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    Re: Avenger 250MT - resolver kicked bucket - options

    Al_The_Man - I see the units that you have and I will contact you if there is a way I can use those. My machine uses one that is on mounted on the spindle itself and it's about 10" diameter with a hole in the middle for the spindle to go through. I'm going to need more brains than I have for now to make those work but if I can get someone to guide me....
    Thank you I'll let you know

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    meckardt55 - I reached out to a "gwood". I hope that's the right person and I will contact the Haidenhain Corp.
    Thank you for your input

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