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    lost Data hitachi seiki HT 20

    I have a 2nd hand HITEC-TURN HT20, Serial N°22245, Constructed 14/10/1986, which I bought recently. As it didn’t work since long time, it lost all data table. With the help of friend I found some of them. But the data specific to “HITACHI”, DATA TABLE, DATA CONTROL, DATA N° D0000-D0002-D0010-D0018-D0026-D0034-D0042-D0050-D0058-D0066-D0074. All of this parameters contain 7 Bits. This DATA concern spindle speeds and tool post rotation.
    And the DATA for PC counter and PC keep relay.
    Please, If anybody have this type of machine, help me please.

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    Hi are you looking for parameters for the Fanuc side or the Hitachi PMC side? Does it have a Micon 8 controller on the cabinet door?
    John

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    what's Micon 8 please?
    parameters for the Hitachi PMC side.
    Thses parameters concern spindle speeds.

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    Hi the Micon 8 is an Hitachi PMC found on lathes of this age. Is it a Fanuc 6TB controller?
    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnc-it View Post
    Hi the Micon 8 is an Hitachi PMC found on lathes of this age. Is it a Fanuc 6TB controller?
    John
    Hi John,
    I don’t know how can I fin dit , but my CN is Fanuc 10T.

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    Angry

    Hi all,
    My real problem is when I program M03 S4000; machine t urn only 1022 RPM.
    Same for any other spindle speed. Only 1/3 of the given speed realized.

    And I don’t have an operator’s manual for programming this machine.

    System runs with FANUC 10 TE-F
    Year 1986 October. TYPE; TTV-32DKL
    Find my front panel as an attachment file.
    Regards.
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    Hi

    i have the same control on the hitachi Fanuc 10 te f that i run. try m41 before the g96 command, this is high gear / range. the machine will default to m40, low gear / range. m40, m41 MUST be commanded by you. hope this helps. enjoy the day

    Gerry

    ps, do you have FAPT on this machine?

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    Hi Gerry,
    Thanks for the help. I’ll try it in this evening.
    Yes I do have FAPT on this machine. But it doesn’t work also.
    There is an alarm “parity error”
    Please tell me do you have the programming manual for this machine?
    I tried the drilling cycle with G74 as;
    G74 R.3 Z-20. Q1500 F.08; but it doesn’t.
    Regaeds.:cheers:

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    I've been using FAPT/CAPS etc for around 20 years. If you need to know anything about FAPT programming just ask.....

    G74 format is...
    G74 Z (end point in Z axis) K (peck amount) F (feed rate)

    there are other items on the G74 line but they can be omitted when peck drilling.

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    Smile

    Hi Gerry,
    I try M41 and M40 on my machine. Yes, you are correct about these two codes.
    Machine by default turn on M41 mode.
    I explain it to my friend how helped me to get the machine done.
    So he shows me on the screen the path, to copy from another machine, as follow;
    • Click on NC/PC button
    • PCPRM bottom screen
    • DATA bottom screen
    • You find the page, DATA TABLE CONTROL DATA
    From D000 to D0074.
    Please be kind to copy these and send me.
    This photo show you the page.

    Regards.
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    Smile

    Thanks for the help. I’ll try it tomorrow.
    Regards

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    hitachi 10t f

    Bon Jour

    i will have a look this weekend. hold the BS key as you power up, it should get rid of this parity error, we had the same problem. i will look for the parameters that were down loaded and send them to you. hope this helps.

    Gerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordav11 View Post
    I've been using FAPT/CAPS etc for around 20 years. If you need to know anything about FAPT programming just ask.....

    G74 format is...
    G74 Z (end point in Z axis) K (peck amount) F (feed rate)

    there are other items on the G74 line but they can be omitted when peck drilling.
    Hi, I tried it this morning but doesn't work. tool post move only five tenths and repeat in the same position.
    is there G74 in two lines?
    mean in first line G74 and K (peck amount) and the second line G74 Z (end point in Z axis) F (feed rate)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Crunch View Post
    Bon Jour

    i will have a look this weekend. hold the BS key as you power up, it should get rid of this parity error, we had the same problem. i will look for the parameters that were down loaded and send them to you. hope this helps.

    Gerry
    I think you are my only rescue.
    I’m waiting for your precious help.
    This morning I tried to remove 1mm pass with stock removing cycle. But the machine has not power enough to do so. Spindle stopped. I think all this problems link to parameters problem.
    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by emind View Post
    Hi, I tried it this morning but doesn't work. tool post move only five tenths and repeat in the same position.
    is there G74 in two lines?
    mean in first line G74 and K (peck amount) and the second line G74 Z (end point in Z axis) F (feed rate)
    No, 10-series uses only 1 line. 2-line fixed cycles was first introduced in Fanuc 16-series.
    The fact that it works to some degree means it's correct.

    There are dozens of parameters relating to fixed cycles. Most likely some of them are not correct.

    Fixed cycle parameters are from 5100 to 5199.
    Please list all of your parameters here in this above range and I can help to correct them.

    If they are all 0 then that's where your problems lie.....

    I personally think you won't fix it (i.e. all of your problems) with just a few specific parameter changes.
    You really need a full dump of the entire parameter range from a similar Hitachi machine with 10T control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordav11 View Post
    No, 10-series uses only 1 line. 2-line fixed cycles was first introduced in Fanuc 16-series.
    The fact that it works to some degree means it's correct.

    There are dozens of parameters relating to fixed cycles. Most likely some of them are not correct.

    Fixed cycle parameters are from 5100 to 5199.
    Please list all of your parameters here in this above range and I can help to correct them.

    If they are all 0 then that's where your problems lie.....

    I personally think you won't fix it (i.e. all of your problems) with just a few specific parameter changes.
    You really need a full dump of the entire parameter range from a similar Hitachi machine with 10T control.
    I send you all parameters found in my machine.
    please let me know were is the error.
    Thanks and best regards
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    ok. well we have a problem. or you do anyway

    This highlights that those parameters are totally different to a standard Fanuc 10T (which I have access to)
    and more importantly almost all of your parameter values are ZERO.

    My parameters in the range I mentioned above are.....

    N05101 P 00000001
    N05102 P 11000110
    N05103 P 00000000
    N05104 P 00000000
    N05110 P 0
    N05111 P 0
    N05112 P 0
    N05113 P 0
    N05114 P 100
    N05121 P 0
    N05130 P 0
    N05131 P 0
    N05132 P 1000
    N05133 P 250
    N05134 P 0
    N05135 P 0
    N05136 P 0
    N05137 P 0
    N05139 P 250
    N05140 P 50
    N05141 P 25
    N05142 P 2
    N05143 P 60
    N05200 P 00000000


    These are nothing like what you have listed and you don't have any remotely similar numbers.
    Plus there is a heap more parameters doing other things and they all make the machine work properly.

    Since you lost all of them you will never make it work properly without a full backup of all of the parameters from a working machine like yours. That's the ONLY way you will get it working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordav11 View Post
    ok. well we have a problem. or you do anyway

    This highlights that those parameters are totally different to a standard Fanuc 10T (which I have access to)
    and more importantly almost all of your parameter values are ZERO.

    My parameters in the range I mentioned above are.....

    N05101 P 00000001
    N05102 P 11000110
    N05103 P 00000000
    N05104 P 00000000
    N05110 P 0
    N05111 P 0
    N05112 P 0
    N05113 P 0
    N05114 P 100
    N05121 P 0
    N05130 P 0
    N05131 P 0
    N05132 P 1000
    N05133 P 250
    N05134 P 0
    N05135 P 0
    N05136 P 0
    N05137 P 0
    N05139 P 250
    N05140 P 50
    N05141 P 25
    N05142 P 2
    N05143 P 60
    N05200 P 00000000


    These are nothing like what you have listed and you don't have any remotely similar numbers.
    Plus there is a heap more parameters doing other things and they all make the machine work properly.

    Since you lost all of them you will never make it work properly without a full backup of all of the parameters from a working machine like yours. That's the ONLY way you will get it working.
    Thanks, do your screen wive is same to the mine? If it is can you copy what you find on the page of Data Table CONTROL DATA from:
    D0000
    D0002
    D0018
    D0026
    D0034
    D0042
    D0050
    D0058
    D0066
    D0074
    BEST REGARDS:cheers:

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    I said I have access to 10T, but not Hitachi machine. It's Mori Seiki TL40. standard Fanuc parameters are totally different.
    Hopefully you can get a full parameter backup from Capt Crunch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordav11 View Post
    I said I have access to 10T, but not Hitachi machine. It's Mori Seiki TL40. standard Fanuc parameters are totally different.
    Hopefully you can get a full parameter backup from Capt Crunch?
    OK.Thanks then I'll try Capt Crunch.:cheers:

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