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    need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Hi,
    The shop just bought a used model but without documentation it is hard to figure out the rs232 port and how to transfer cutlists.
    Weinig wants US $450 for the manual.

    I am hoping someone has the manual for the Dimter OptiCut 104 and would be willing to share.

    Thanks for any help,

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Did that saw come with the PC computer or just the operator panel keypad?
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Hi Jim,
    This one has just the operator panel.

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    That being the case, I don't think there is any way to generate files offline and load them to the machine. Weinig may have the software available, but it won't be cheap. If you have the software, there is a chance you can get it to work. It ran on a WinNT or XP computer. As I recall, the serial settings were 9600, N, 8, 1, using a null modem cable.

    This machine was built about the same time I left Grecon-Dimter so I don't have the manual in my archives. I checked with another retired tech and he doesn't have a manual either.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Hi Jim,
    Thanks for looking.


    Is the software you mention the "Mill Vision software"? I found some references to this but no screenshots or actual program.

    i will try with serial cable. if the serial settings are different, i can adjust until they work.
    Do you have any idea what data to send in what format?

    Do you know if the printer was controlled through the same serial port?

    if you have the manual for the one with PC, maybe it would have enough clues for me to have a start at sending lists.
    Any other information or wisdom on this machine?

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    No, but Mill Vision will send cut lists I think. That is actually an aftermarket software that was written by a Grecon-Dimter tech. An interesting story there, that software was actually started in my home office back in the late 90's. It looks like it has evolved quite a bit over the years, and I don't know if Dan is still involved with it..

    The data format is really the problem, you can probably get communication established, but if the format is not what the controller wants to see then it is just noise.

    I think there was a separate serial port on the operator panel that sent the text string to the printer. Also the printer required a trigger signal from the machine controller to fire the printer at the correct time. I think the printer had its own encoder. It is almost 20 years ago that I was working with this stuff so It is a bit foggy.

    I have no manuals for that machine at all. And I'm not sure that having a manual would be of much help in this regard, they really didn't get into the guts of the software. Mostly it was just an operator manual and electrical documentation. Too bad you didn't buy a prior generation machine, I have all of the documentation for those.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Donald, I sent a PM to you
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Hi Jim,
    Someone else is looking at the electrical and the manual might be relevant. It turns out the machine is 2001 if that changes anything.

    It seems we are locked out of operator panel for many changes. What was the default passcode?
    Found the Password: ELBA

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails dimter 104 nameplate.jpg   operating panel.jpg  

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Sorry the 2001 year makes no difference. You have to go back to about 1999 and the 504 machines, pre CAN bus systems.

    Try ESC 13 ENTER for the password, it was some combination like that. Understand I'm trying to remember almost 20 years ago and I'm 70 now What were we talking about?
    Jim Dawson
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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Hi Jim,
    I found the password as ELBA.

    Thanks for your help. I don't think i need anything else at the moment.

    It seems like i will need to spend some time debuggging the serial connection and seeing what information i can get out /in .

    I might have sourced the manual for the machine. if so i will post it here.

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    I thought ELBA was the old 304 password or I would have mentioned it. In that case, ODER may be a second level password also.

    Best of luck to you.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Dawson View Post
    That being the case, I don't think there is any way to generate files offline and load them to the machine. Weinig may have the software available, but it won't be cheap. If you have the software, there is a chance you can get it to work. It ran on a WinNT or XP computer. As I recall, the serial settings were 9600, N, 8, 1, using a null modem cable.

    This machine was built about the same time I left Grecon-Dimter so I don't have the manual in my archives. I checked with another retired tech and he doesn't have a manual either.
    Hello Jim
    I have a similar question and need regarding OptiCut 101 RS232 protocol manual, that would be of great help.
    Thanks much

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Quote Originally Posted by pcoulombeau2 View Post
    Hello Jim
    I have a similar question and need regarding OptiCut 101 RS232 protocol manual, that would be of great help.
    Thanks much
    Hi Jim, all
    Anyone has experience of the interfacing with OptiCut101, either through RS232 or CAN interfaces ? We would like to automate some processes between different wood machines, including OptiCut101, and integrate the machine into a factory supervision. Understanding the interfaces and messages there would be of great help.
    Thanks much for your help if you have any document or advices,
    Pierre

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    Re: need manual for Dimter Opticut 104 (2002) model

    Quote Originally Posted by pcoulombeau2 View Post
    Hi Jim, all
    Anyone has experience of the interfacing with OptiCut101, either through RS232 or CAN interfaces ? We would like to automate some processes between different wood machines, including OptiCut101, and integrate the machine into a factory supervision. Understanding the interfaces and messages there would be of great help.
    Thanks much for your help if you have any document or advices,
    Pierre
    Given what you want to do Millvision software was designed just for this purpose. https://www.weinigusa.com/us/product...illvision.html

    Other than that, I am not able to help you with this one.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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