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    Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    I originally had some issues where I couldn't get a program to load from a memory card. It kept telling me I didn't have enough memory.

    So, I deleted all the programs that I believe the last owner had on it. I did back up the SRAM and anything that could be backed up, or so I thought.

    So the current issue is that my turret numbering is not aligned with what the controller is indicating. Tool T-4 is in the spindle, and it says tool T-11 is loaded on the screen.

    I try to initiate the Turret Restore program through the Maintenance window. when I start, it throws up an alarm of "059 Cannot find program" ?

    After a bit of research it may be the program # 9040 "turret recovery program" i'm suddenly missing?

    Does anyone happen to know how I can get that back? How I managed to delete something that I was told couldn't be deleted is beyond me?



    thanks,
    jason

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    This is the reference program for mine an alpha t10. It's probably the same for you. I had to go through the same thing
    N0060 ?.?? is specific to your machine and it is derived from certain parameters. I have to look up which ones in the manual.

    O9040(TURRET REFERENCE V02) ;
    N0010 G00 G80 G90 ;
    N0020 G04 P500 ;
    N0030 #101 =#5023 ;
    N0040 #102 =#3003 ;
    N0050 #103 =#4006 ;
    N0060 #104 =#?.?? ;
    N0070 IF[#103 EQ 20] GOTO0100 ;
    N0080 IF[#103 EQ 21] GOTO0900 ;
    N0100 (INCH) ;
    N0110 G20 ;
    N0120 #105 =#104 /25.4 ;
    N0130 IF[#101 LT 1.9685] GOTO0200 ;
    N0140 IF[#101 LT 3.6620] GOTO0300 ;
    N0150 GOTO0400 ;
    N0200 ;
    N0210 M03 S0 ;
    N0220 G91 G28 Z0 ;
    N0230 G92 Z0 ;
    N0240 M19 ;
    N0250 GOTO 0400 ;
    N0300 ;
    N0310 M03 S0 ;
    N0320 G90 G00 G53 Z3.3465 ;
    N0330 M19 ;
    N0400 ;
    N0410 G90 G00 G53 Z#105 ;
    N0420 GOTO5000 ;
    N0900 (METRIC) ;
    N0910 G21 ;
    N0920 IF[#101 LT 50.] GOTO1000 ;
    N0930 IF[#101 LT 92.] GOTO2000 ;
    N0940 GOTO3000 ;
    N1000 ;
    N1010 M03 S0 ;
    N1020 G91 G28 Z0 ;
    N1030 G92 Z0 ;
    N1040 M19 ;
    N1050 GOTO3000 ;
    N2000 ;
    N2010 M03 S0 ;
    N2020 G90 G00 G53 Z85. ;
    N2030 M19 ;
    N3000 ;
    N3010 G90 G00 G53 Z#104 ;
    N5000 ;
    N5010 G04 P100 ;
    N5020 #3003 =1 ;
    N5030 #102 =#3003 ;
    N5040 M19 ;
    N5050 G04 P100 ;
    N5060 M03 S0 ;
    N5070 M07 S40 ;
    N5080 M19 ;
    N6000 ;
    N6010 #3003 =0 ;
    N6020 #102 =#3003 ;
    G10 L50 ;
    N7810 R1 ;
    G11 ;
    N6030 G90 G00 G53 Z0 ;
    N6040 M02 ;

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    My manual says it is the value in parameter 7825 divided by 10
    In my circumstance it worked out to be 95.5, your mileage may vary.
    I had to research that my myself, even methods coundn't tell me that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regina View Post
    My manual says it is the value in parameter 7825 divided by 10
    In my circumstance it worked out to be 95.5, your mileage may vary.
    I had to research that my myself, even methods coundn't tell me that.
    Wow! Thanks! I’m a little nervous there might be something else I don’t know is missing.. heh

    I’ll have a look at my parameter tomorrow. Where did you end up finding that particular needle in a haystack?

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    The less elegant method is to remove the turret cover and pry against the gear and just put the turret where the machine thinks it is and just run with that. You have to overcome the strength of the detent but you won't break anything.
    That info was buried in either the operator or maintenance manual, but they are not easy reading. sometimes I have to read a section and then sleep on it in order to process it. I still have to make some adjustments to the spindle orientation board on my robodrill. I've been putting it off for months because some of this stuff can be so frustrating. I have a terrible time finding Fanuc info. It's not like you can just find something in an index. Sometimes it is spread over a dozen manuals and even then some has to be inferred or extrapolated. It's going to take lots of time and effort but eventually I am going to master these earlier Fanuc controls and when I do I will pass along everything I learned. I would not have got even this far without help from others either directly or by reading archives and I am trying to pass it on.

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    Quote Originally Posted by regina View Post
    The less elegant method is to remove the turret cover and pry against the gear and just put the turret where the machine thinks it is and just run with that. You have to overcome the strength of the detent but you won't break anything.
    That info was buried in either the operator or maintenance manual, but they are not easy reading. sometimes I have to read a section and then sleep on it in order to process it. I still have to make some adjustments to the spindle orientation board on my robodrill. I've been putting it off for months because some of this stuff can be so frustrating. I have a terrible time finding Fanuc info. It's not like you can just find something in an index. Sometimes it is spread over a dozen manuals and even then some has to be inferred or extrapolated. It's going to take lots of time and effort but eventually I am going to master these earlier Fanuc controls and when I do I will pass along everything I learned. I would not have got even this far without help from others either directly or by reading archives and I am trying to pass it on.
    I'm curious if that number "10" your dividing by is based on having 10 tool turret? I wonder if I should be dividing by 14? maybe the parameter number is related to the number of teeth or circumference of the turret gear?

    I have another program that is labeled the same but its clearly not..??

    O9040 (T-REF T14IA 960117) ;
    N0010 G80 S0M09 ;
    N0020 #3003 =1 ;
    N0030 G90 G00 M05 ;
    N0040 G04 P100 ;
    N0050 #101 =#5023 ;
    N0070 #103 =#4006 ;
    N0090 IF[#101 LE 0] GOTO5000 ;
    N0110 IF[#103 EQ 21] GOTO2000 ;
    N1000 (********* INCH *********) ;
    N1010 G20 ;
    N1020 #150 =#104/25.4 ;
    N1030 IF[#101 LT 1.97] GOTO1100 ;
    N1040 IF[#101 LT 4.13] GOTO1200 ;
    N1050 GOTO1300 ;
    N1100 ;
    N1110 M03 S0 ;
    N1120 G91 G28 Z0 ;
    N1150 GOTO4020 ;
    N1200 ;
    N1210 M03 S0 ;
    N1220 G90 G00 G53 Z3.93 ;
    N1230 M19 ;
    N1235 G04 X1.0 ;
    N1240 GOTO4000 ;
    N1300 (Z UP) ;
    N1310 G90 G00 G53 Z#105 ;
    N1320 GOTO3000 ;
    N2000 (********* METRIC *********) ;
    N2010 G21 ;
    N2020 IF[#101 LT 50.] GOTO2100 ;
    N2030 IF[#101 LT 101.] GOTO2200 ;
    N2040 GOTO2300 ;
    N2100 ;
    N2110 M03 S0 ;
    N2120 G91 G28 Z0 ;
    N2130 G92 Z0 ;
    N2150 GOTO4020 ;
    N2200 ;
    N2210 M03 S0 ;
    N2220 G90 G00 G53 Z100. ;
    N2230 M19 ;
    N2240 GOTO4000 ;
    N2300 (Z UP) ;
    N2310 G90 G00 G53 Z#104 ;
    N3000 (INDEX) ;
    N3010 G04 X1.0 ;
    N3020 M19 ;
    N3030 G04 P100 ;
    N4000 (Z RETURN) ;
    N4010 G90 G00 G53 Z0 ;
    G10 L50 ;
    N7810 R0 ;
    G11 ;
    G04 P100 ;
    N4030 M02 ;
    N5000 (***** TOOL CHANGE *****) ;
    G10 L50 ;
    N7810 R1 ;
    G11 ;
    G04 P100 ;
    N5010 G40 ;
    N5020 G49 M06 ;
    G10 L50 ;
    N7810 R0 ;
    G11 ;
    G04 P100 ;
    N5030 M02 ;

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    Hmm didn't realize the 14 meant a 14 tool turret. Sorry about that.
    If you have that program that has a header written for your machine I would definitely go with that instead and parameter wise- I am not sure where that plays out in a 16ma vs a 16ima.
    If I have some time later tonight I will compare the programs like by line and see if I can figure out what they are functionally doing different. If you don't have the manuals for your machine, the control, the motors, the servo amps, the spindle motor, the spindle amplifier, and the ladder language it would benefit you to do so. They are probably online somewhere in PDF format. If not, they are reasonably priced from Fanuc. but you have to set up an account, and the leadtime is very long of not in stock. There are probably 19" of manuals that deal with your stuff.

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    Re: Please Help! Turret restoration not working on Robodrill t-14ial 16i-ma ugh

    Well, I finally found the program in a manual.. and of course its different than both previous versions! hmmm

    the code has superscript in it!? I'm not even sure how to type it in to the controller?

    N0070 #103 =#4006 ;
    N0075 #106 =#104?¹, ; ( has a -1 in superscript)
    N0080 #107 =#104??, ; ( has a -5 in superscript)
    N0090 IF[#101 LE 0] GOTO5000 ;

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    Ok back to working.. that last one did work, and along with some searching on this site was able to add it back too the 9000 programs.


    Thanks for your help.

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