On another thread, a guy says Smithy imports used /rebuilt machines. I couldn't find anything on their website about it. When I called, I sort of got a run-around and no answer. What gives?
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On another thread, a guy says Smithy imports used /rebuilt machines. I couldn't find anything on their website about it. When I called, I sort of got a run-around and no answer. What gives?
just a rumor started by the competition
Not a rumor and not by the competition-Quote:
Originally Posted by flatheadford49
Here's the most recent shipment of used/rebuilt units. There have been more before this.
Bill of Lading
SHIPPER
Shandong Linyi Jinxing Machine Tool
Co.,ltd. Northern Section Of Hu Xi
Road
Linyi Cn
CONSIGNEE
Overland Inc.d.b.a.
Smithy Company 170 Aprill Drive
Ann Arbor
Arbor Mi 48103 Us
NOTIFY PARTIES
Expeditors International,11101
Metro Airport Center Drive,building
M2,suite 110
Romulus Mi 48174 Us
PACKAGING INFORMATION
Weight : 10,473 KG Measurement : 28 CM
Quantity : 56 PKG
SHIPMENT DETAIL
Carrier Code : FTPA Origin :
Vessel Name : Sealand Charger U.S. Port : 2709 - Long Beach, California
Voyage : 1008 Foreign Port : 57047 - Qingdao, China
B/L : FTPAFQ04453 U.S. Dest :
Pre Carrier : Qingdao Foreign Dest :
Vessel Code : 9143001 Mode of Transport : 10
Inbond Code : 00 Arrival Date : 2010-04-25
COMMODITIES
Container Qty Commodity Description
MEDU2238201 56 Lathes, Horiz, Used/rebuilt Multi-purpose Machines
MARKS & NUMBERS
Container Marks & Numbers
MEDU2238201 Smithy P.o.7791 Detroit No.1-3/1-2/1-2/1-16 Made In China
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Is the tax rate different between used and new when importing or exporting? Could be a way around the system.
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Originally Posted by sharpshooter90
tax rate is indeed different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fastest1
also smithy add their own controls in the US, so that may change the classification.
or that shipment may have just been a repair load.
in any case the poster is know for trying to cut down any machine that isnt the one he owns.
I just asked a question- Smithy sidesteps the issue-Quote:
Originally Posted by ihavenofish
sorry, didnt mean you, meant the guy posting the import data.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitalmdi
I don't see how he is " cutting " anyone down either- he just posted a document from US Customs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ihavenofish
The real question is why Smithy won't clear this up.
these guy's are a tag teamQuote:
Originally Posted by ihavenofish
Spoken like a dedicated fan of " WRASSLIN' "Quote:
Originally Posted by flatheadford49
Interesting....I'll have to check back in awhile.
Is Smithy selling more machines than your company or something. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter90
I don't believe you. Who did you talk to? I would like to talk to that person.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitalmdi
Boy- this is an old thread to dig up. Not sure what your question is all about, but the sale of my old Quadra lift before getting a Patriot hardly compares to Smithy, who, based on the import data is selling used machines by the container load.Quote:
Originally Posted by flatheadford49
I didn't revive the thread, your compadre, one of the other Patriot owners did.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter90
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Old 10-28-2011, 06:38 PM
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Thats interesting- there was another thread a while back in which someone claimed that Smithy was imported used/rebuilt machines. Did they sell it to you as used?
here's the link
ARE SMITHY MACHINES USED / REBUILT?"
Why do you guys that own Patriots post a lot of negative crap on the Smithy forum. I don't understand, please explain. Thank You.
It's been years ago now, but they ran a truckload sale in town at a local hotel. They still do that?
I remember that too, back around 1994 when I was shopping they showed up at a local motel for a weekend with a " scratch and dent" sale. I spoke to the young guy who was running the show and he sort of boasted that Smithy was the largest selling brand around selling a few hundred machines per month. He said it was cheaper for them to have a truck travelling around the country picking up machines rather than paying freight for machines being returned. He said whenever his truck was full enough they would schedule a sale at a motel parking lot. As far as I was concerned, his boast sort of backfired. I figured if that many machines were being returned, it was not the machine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketflier
I don't believe you on the paying return freight bit, no company is that generous, is yours. Or driving around the country to pick up returned machines, that is nonsense. But it would be great if machine tool sellers like Smithy, Syil, Grizzly and Tormach, had sales like that in the major cities. I would try to attend.Quote:
Originally Posted by smallblock
I will ask the question yet again to another Patriot owner, like yourself.
Why do you guys who say they own Patriots post a lot of negative crap on the Smithy forum. I don't understand, please explain. Thank You.
Flathead,Quote:
Originally Posted by flatheadford49
I'm not sure what your agenda is- maybe you work for Smithy or are just trying to be their friend, but I doubt if they appreciate your posts.
I have never said anything negative about Smithy in any post. The negative comments came from Smithy owners who were unhappy.
This one from cncbpt
The v-belts were cheap junk,the finish chips off and the machines look like they have been used hard and have alot more hours on them than they do.
It was YOU who re-opened this thread- look back and you will see that it was more than a year since anyone posted here until you opened it again.
If you want to help or promote Smithy, more power to you, but your methods are not doing them any good.
Your right, I opened the thread, after you provided a link to it, your post #36, posted on 10/28/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdclark
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/smithy...924_cnc-3.html
Looks like negative crap to me. Why do you do it.
I just got a Smithy 1324 I-Max with a build date of August 2013 - Mind you that it is August 2017. Some areas look as if they were weekly spray bombed touch ups. Worse than that I found Chips in the Gear Casing that didn't come from me. What a mistake - An expensive mistake...
I kind of wonder where would you get enough used machines to make a business out of rebuilding them and with the cost of new machines by the container load direct from China so low why even bother?
Maybe a demo they had in their showroom for a few years and they figured- " it's not really used machine since it was never sold"Quote:
Originally Posted by brian257
pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by SANER
things to note with machinery:
- it could be a few years before part gets used in a machine.
- it could be a few years before an assembled machine gets delivered to the customer.
- paint, unfortunately can be an after thought even on nice quality machines, and when damaged during assembly or shipping, they would indeed just spray bomb it.
- chips may come from a cutting test of the machine when assembled.
that all said though, pics. cause youve posted this in an ancient thread that was basically made to make up stories about a competitors product. so you kinda need to show what your talking about before anyone is going to pay it any mind.
Hello,
We DO NOT import used machines, I am not sure where this information is coming from, but it simply isn't true. We do sell "used machines" from time to time, but they generally are something that never made it to the customer because of shipping damage. If the crate is damaged during shipping, and customer refuses delivery, it will be returned to us. We make sure machine complies with factory specs, and list it as new.
SANER, please give us a call to discuss your issue. We generally sell out of a particular model before a new shipment arrives. No manual machines sit on our floor for more than 2 months.
Thanks
Tracing that old link supplied by Flatheadford49- here is a copy of one of your orders-Quote:
Originally Posted by kadesmithy
Bill of Lading
SHIPPER
Shandong Linyi Jinxing Machine Tool
Co.,ltd. Northern Section Of Hu Xi
Road
Linyi Cn
CONSIGNEE
Overland Inc.d.b.a.
Smithy Company 170 Aprill Drive
Ann Arbor
Arbor Mi 48103 Us
NOTIFY PARTIES
Expeditors International,11101
Metro Airport Center Drive,building
M2,suite 110
Romulus Mi 48174 Us
PACKAGING INFORMATION
Weight : 10,473 KG Measurement : 28 CM
Quantity : 56 PKG
SHIPMENT DETAIL
Carrier Code : FTPA Origin :
Vessel Name : Sealand Charger U.S. Port : 2709 - Long Beach, California
Voyage : 1008 Foreign Port : 57047 - Qingdao, China
B/L : FTPAFQ04453 U.S. Dest :
Pre Carrier : Qingdao Foreign Dest :
Vessel Code : 9143001 Mode of Transport : 10
Inbond Code : 00 Arrival Date : 2010-04-25
COMMODITIES
Container Qty Commodity Description
MEDU2238201 56 Lathes, Horiz, Used/rebuilt Multi-purpose Machines
MARKS & NUMBERS
Container Marks & Numbers
MEDU2238201 Smithy P.o.7791 Detroit No.1-3/1-2/1-2/1-16 Made In China
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You will not find any company buying used/rebuilt 3 n1 machines.
China doesn't make anything like these for their domestic market, all 3 n 1 machines are for export only, i.e. Europe, or Americas. Castings are the least expensive part of the process, its the precision parts, Fit/Finish, and product support that make up the majority of the cost.
The bill of lading is pretty clear that they are used/rebuilt machines- but it's an old thread, maybe before you went to work for them. Actually there is a market for the 3 in 1 machines in the Chinese domestic market, usually to small shops and for the lowest quality units, so it's possible to buy them and then spruce them up for sale.
the bill of landing for my weiss manual mill direct from weiss in china says home appliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdclark
the bill of landing for my new german siemens ac servos off ebay said used machine parts and made in usa.
i would not make anything of what category an item gets put in in customs. it can be all over the place, for any number of reasons. in the case of the siemens motors, the customs officer just didnt know where to put it so he picked something at random that just had gst and no duty.
Customs does choose the category, that is done by the import broker, but customs officers being bureaucrats are less than efficient in verifying that all documents are correct, so a clever importer might sneak a few shipments through under a false classification and avoid paying his fair share of taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ihavenofish
This is an old thread, but I saw a post on FB from a guy who said the same thing- With those 25% tariffs on Chinese imports, it would be pretty tempting for a company to classify their machines as "used"Quote:
Originally Posted by SANER