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Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
Ok, this morning my VFD died. YL600-2s-2k20 for 2.2KW spindle. This was bought from a company that said it was able to use 110V. No smoke, no pop, just the slow winding down of the spindle. The display on the VFD had something on it (CN????) but before I could read it, the display went off. Powering off/on did nothing. Connections look good. Power is there. One tiny LED D12 is on, that is all.
I've had the VFD for about two years.
So, that brings me to now. I'm looking at some VFDs on Amazon and am looking at 220v models such as:(VFD 220V 3.0KW 4hp Variable Frequency Drive CNC VFD Motor Drive Inverter Converter for Spindle Motor Speed Control HUANYANG HY-Series(3KW, 220V))
or should I step up to the 4.0KW 5.5 HP?
Any suggestions?
If you have a similar setup, I'd like to hear from you as well.
Thanks!
Charles
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Re: Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Ok, this morning my VFD died. YL600-2s-2k20 for 2.2KW spindle. This was bought from a company that said it was able to use 110V. No smoke, no pop, just the slow winding down of the spindle. The display on the VFD had something on it (CN????) but before I could read it, the display went off. Powering off/on did nothing. Connections look good. Power is there. One tiny LED D12 is on, that is all.
I've had the VFD for about two years.
So, that brings me to now. I'm looking at some VFDs on Amazon and am looking at 220v models such as:(VFD 220V 3.0KW 4hp Variable Frequency Drive CNC VFD Motor Drive Inverter Converter for Spindle Motor Speed Control HUANYANG HY-Series(3KW, 220V))
or should I step up to the 4.0KW 5.5 HP?
Any suggestions?
If you have a similar setup, I'd like to hear from you as well.
Thanks!
Charles
Why where you using 120v it's not the voltage that normally kills a VFD it have the wrong Parameters set that does them some serious damage
You have to know the spec's for the VFD model there are some that can run on 120v but those that are any good for a 2.2Kw spindle will be 220v/240v
3kw would be good for the 2.2Kw spindle
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Thank you for the quick response.
Well, at the time I didn't have a 220v outlet in the shop and since the company I bought my spindle from had a 110v VFD controller for a 2.2KW spindle I went that route. They also posted the parameters that need to be set in order to use the VFD with that spindle.
Can we post links on the forum?
Again, thanks.
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Do you have any good or bad comments about this VFD?
https://www.amazon.com/Variable-Freq...ay&sr=8-9&th=1
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I recently bought that same VFD. It's bee n working just fine so far. Easy to set up and has good instruction manual.
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@milo30
Mind if I ask what spindle are you using and are you using mach3?
Thanks
Charles
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Re: Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
A Chinese water cooled 3Kw. No I changed out all the Mach 3 stuff for Centroid Acorn.
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Did you get the spindle off Amazon or eBAY?
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cduncan64
That is a low cost VFD and will work very well, a word of caution the wiring has to be correct,and Parameters have to be set correct or the same thing can happen
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No, my machine came with the spindle.
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cduncan64
What is wrong with the spindle you have, just test the UVW and Ground pin to see if it is ok
Pin1 to Pin2=
Pin2 to Pin3=
Pin3 to Pin1=
And Pin 4 to the Spindle Body most are not connected and this will have to be corrected like photo
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
What is wrong with the spindle you have, just test the UVW and Ground pin to see if it is ok
Pin1 to Pin2=
Pin2 to Pin3=
Pin3 to Pin1=
And Pin 4 to the Spindle Body most are not connected and this will have to be corrected like photo
Yeah, I checked the resistance between the wires of the coils and got something like 1.1 ohms between them. To ground it was open.
You had asked me earlier about why i had a 110v VFD and that got me to thinking about putting a 220v outlet in and getting a 220v VFD. That would mean I would have to get a 220v spindle.
I was looking at this VFD and Spindle:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
What do you think?
I'm asking the seller to tell me the setting I need to change and will come back here and post them and see if anyone can vouch for them being correct.
At over $400.00 thats a big drop in the bucket, but what else was I going to use that money for, food?
Thanks.
Charles
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Yeah, I checked the resistance between the wires of the coils and got something like 1.1 ohms between them. To ground it was open.
You had asked me earlier about why i had a 110v VFD and that got me to thinking about putting a 220v outlet in and getting a 220v VFD. That would mean I would have to get a 220v spindle.
I was looking at this VFD and Spindle:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
What do you think?
I'm asking the seller to tell me the setting I need to change and will come back here and post them and see if anyone can vouch for them being correct.
At over $400.00 thats a big drop in the bucket, but what else was I going to use that money for, food?
Thanks.
Charles
Is the 220V 4.4KW GT version worth the extra $50.00 or should I just stick with the 220v 3KW HY version?
The GT version could draw around 20 amps, while the HY could draw 13. Any comments?
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Re: Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Is the 220V 4.4KW GT version worth the extra $50.00 or should I just stick with the 220v 3KW HY version?
The GT version could draw around 20 amps, while the HY could draw 13. Any comments?
How did you figure out that there is a difference in amps, look at the input current ( amps ) requirement not the output, the input requirement will be roughly double the output current ( Amps ) required
No the GT is to big for a 2.2Kw spindle and there would be no benefit as auto tuning will not work for a spindle motor that is smaller than it's rated size, so the 3Kw is the ideal size for your 2.2Kw spindle
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Yeah, I checked the resistance between the wires of the coils and got something like 1.1 ohms between them. To ground it was open.
You had asked me earlier about why i had a 110v VFD and that got me to thinking about putting a 220v outlet in and getting a 220v VFD. That would mean I would have to get a 220v spindle.
I was looking at this VFD and Spindle:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
What do you think?
I'm asking the seller to tell me the setting I need to change and will come back here and post them and see if anyone can vouch for them being correct.
At over $400.00 thats a big drop in the bucket, but what else was I going to use that money for, food?
Thanks.
Charles
Yes your spindle Voltage needs to match the VFD input Voltage
The seller will not be able to give you the correct Parameters, unless he has copied what I have already posted
I have any Parameter's you need you just have to decide on what VFD Drive and Spindle you are going to use and be wired and ready to use the Parameters and I will post them here for you
Don't turn on the Spindle unless you have the Correct Parameters set or the same thing will happen, most VFD Drives that are damaged are from wiring or incorrect Parameters set
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
How did you figure out that there is a difference in amps, look at the input current ( amps ) requirement not the output, the input requirement will be roughly double the output current ( Amps ) required
No the GT is to big for a 2.2Kw spindle and there would be no benefit as auto tuning will not work for a spindle motor that is smaller than it's rated size, so the 3Kw is the ideal size for your 2.2Kw spindle
From the seller's webpage, can't find a manual, the Output current is 13 amps. So this thing is going to draw roughly 26 amps?
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
From the seller's webpage, can't find a manual, the Output current is 13 amps. So this thing is going to draw roughly 26 amps?
Correct a 240v 25A to 30A single phase circuit is what you should am for which would be for your whole machine
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Ok, before I break out the credit card...
Here are the VFD and Spindle motor I am thinking about getting.
VFD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
Spindle: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
If you have anymore suggestions or advice please let me know.
I can install a dedicated 220 V, 30 amp outlet.
I'm not too worried about the water cooling as I already have that set up. I will install a flow indicator/alarm or auto shutoff.
Hopefully I haven't been a nuisance and you can help me with the programming.
Again, thanks for all your help.
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Ok, before I break out the credit card...
Here are the VFD and Spindle motor I am thinking about getting.
VFD:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
Spindle:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...RHIIBHYY&psc=1
If you have anymore suggestions or advice please let me know.
I can install a dedicated 220 V, 30 amp outlet.
I'm not too worried about the water cooling as I already have that set up. I will install a flow indicator/alarm or auto shutoff.
Hopefully I haven't been a nuisance and you can help me with the programming.
Again, thanks for all your help.
No problem at all we are here to help
Both look ok, except for one thing that stands out is the 5A rating for the spindle, I think that is incorrect that would be for a 380v spindle 220v spindle normally is 8A to 9A or close to it
The VFD is a normal HY VFD and will work well
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
No problem at all we are here to help
Both look ok, except for one thing that stands out is the 5A rating for the spindle, I think that is incorrect that would be for a 380v spindle 220v spindle normally is 8A to 9A or close to it
The VFD is a normal HY VFD and will work well
Looking at the thumbnail picture, next to the main thumbnail picture, it shows 8A.
So, everything else is good?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Looking at the thumbnail picture, next to the main thumbnail picture, it shows 8A.
So, everything else is good?
Thanks
It's amazing how they screw up there advertising so much, but good to see you found the correct spec's
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
It's amazing how they screw up there advertising so much, but good to see you found the correct spec's
I can understand how it happens. Cut and paste this cut and paste that. Just can't believe in why it happens.
Ok, so unless you have any suggestions, I'm ordering that VFD and Spindle.
Thanks
Charles
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
I can understand how it happens. Cut and paste this cut and paste that. Just can't believe in why it happens.
Ok, so unless you have any suggestions, I'm ordering that VFD and Spindle.
Thanks
Charles
You are good to go, Amazon is good to by from, have great deliveries, I can never say what you are getting is not faulty or is going to fail, everything is a gamble, at least with Amazon it can be an easy return if there is a problem
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While I am waiting for my VFD and spindle to arrive. I need to run a cable and install an outlet for the 220.
That won't be so bad since the breaker box is nearby.
The power cord that goes to the spindle I have now is rated at 10 amps. Thats 20% higher than the specified current for the new spindle (8 amps.) It is 16 Ga., 4 wires, 300VAC. Do you think that is ok?
Thanks again.
Charles
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Re: Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
Please correct me if I am wrong. Is there an issue with running the VFD from a 220v outlet and everything else that is 110v (PC, Controller) going to a different outlet that my or may not share one of the 220v 'sides'?
Should I run 220v to a box or enclosure and break out the 110v and 220v from there?
Thanks
Charles
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Re: Buying NEW VFD for 2.2KW Spindle (OLD VFD died)
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Please correct me if I am wrong. Is there an issue with running the VFD from a 220v outlet and everything else that is 110v (PC, Controller) going to a different outlet that my or may not share one of the 220v 'sides'?
Should I run 220v to a box or enclosure and break out the 110v and 220v from there?
Thanks
Charles
Always better to use one supply you need an extra wire but worth it so to do the 240v/120v supply you will have ( 2 ) hot wires a Neutral white and Ground wire so 4 wires
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
While I am waiting for my VFD and spindle to arrive. I need to run a cable and install an outlet for the 220.
That won't be so bad since the breaker box is nearby.
The power cord that goes to the spindle I have now is rated at 10 amps. Thats 20% higher than the specified current for the new spindle (8 amps.) It is 16 Ga., 4 wires, 300VAC. Do you think that is ok?
Thanks again.
Charles
It has to be a shielded cable and Quality 16gauge is fine, only if it is shielded and with a high flex rating, the code requirement is 125%
This is the cable that I recommend for the VFD to the Spindle CF6-15-04 there are other manufactures with similar cable https://www.igus.com/search?q=CF6-15-04
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I'm a McMaster type of guy. This specs the same.
https://www.mcmaster.com/8082k45
Thanks
Charles
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cduncan64
It looks like it is made by the same company, they have lots of reseller's the Shield looks a little open in the weave but may be just the photo
Yes McMaster are easy to deal with
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Ok, both the VFD and spindle arrived today. YAY!
When you get the time, can you please send me the VFD parms that I need to set to keep from damaging this equipment?
Thanks again for all the help/advice.
Charles
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
Ok, both the VFD and spindle arrived today. YAY!
When you get the time, can you please send me the VFD parms that I need to set to keep from damaging this equipment?
Thanks again for all the help/advice.
Charles
This should be all you need
Huanyang Mactec54
2.2Kw 220v 400Hz Water Cooled
PD000=0 ( 0 For Parameter unlock ) ( 1 For Locked )
PD001=0 (1 For Remote Control)
PD002=0 ( 1 For 0-10v Terminal Control or Remote Trim Pot Control )
( J1 Also Needs to be set for Remote Terminal Control 1-2 jumper connection )
PD003=400
PD004=400
PD005=400
PD006=190
PD007=20
PD008=220 (Motor Rated Voltage )
PD009=102
PD010=15
PD011=120 ( 100 Minimum Setting )
PD13= 08 (is for Factory reset, Only use this to set VFD to Factory Default Settings )
PD014=8 ( Acceleration Adjust to suit)
PD015=8 ( Deceleration Adjust to suit)
( PD15 is ignored IF PD26=1 Then the Spindle will Coast to a Stop)
PD023=0 ( Forward Run Only )
PD041=8 ( Carrier Frequency up to 10 Max for these Spindle motors)
PD120=120 ( Stall Prevention )
PD141=220 ( Motor Rated Voltage )
PD142=9 ( Motor Max Amps 2.2Kw Spindle 9 amp )
PD143=2 ( Motor Number of Poles)
PD144=3000 (Max Motor RPM) 3,000= (24,000)
PD70=0 ( This may need to be set to 1 if Control Voltage is 0-5v )
PD72=400
PD73=120 ( 100 Minimum RPM Setting )
PD174= ??? ( To Be Set to the VFD Drives Max Rated Output Current / Amps )
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
This should be all you need
Huanyang Mactec54
2.2Kw 220v 400Hz Water Cooled
PD000=0 ( 0 For Parameter unlock ) ( 1 For Locked )
PD001=0 (1 For Remote Control)
PD002=0 ( 1 For 0-10v Terminal Control or Remote Trim Pot Control )
( J1 Also Needs to be set for Remote Terminal Control 1-2 jumper connection )
PD003=400
PD004=400
PD005=400
PD006=190
PD007=20
PD008=220 (Motor Rated Voltage )
PD009=102
PD010=15
PD011=120 ( 100 Minimum Setting )
PD13= 08 (is for Factory reset, Only use this to set VFD to Factory Default Settings )
PD014=8 ( Acceleration Adjust to suit)
PD015=8 ( Deceleration Adjust to suit)
( PD15 is ignored IF PD26=1 Then the Spindle will Coast to a Stop)
PD023=0 ( Forward Run Only )
PD041=8 ( Carrier Frequency up to 10 Max for these Spindle motors)
PD120=120 ( Stall Prevention )
PD141=220 ( Motor Rated Voltage )
PD142=9 ( Motor Max Amps 2.2Kw Spindle 9 amp )
PD143=2 ( Motor Number of Poles)
PD144=3000 (Max Motor RPM) 3,000= (24,000)
PD70=0 ( This may need to be set to 1 if Control Voltage is 0-5v )
PD72=400
PD73=120 ( 100 Minimum RPM Setting )
PD174= ??? ( To Be Set to the VFD Drives Max Rated Output Current / Amps )
Thanks
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How does this sound?
Even though my CNC is 15 ft away from the breaker panel, I would like a main shut off for everything (except PC).
That means the
VFD
Smoothstepper wall-wart power supply
and 48v 12.5 A power supply would all be fed from the same 220v box (sub panel? I don't know what its called).
The subpanel would be fed with a cable that can handle 30 amps (10/3) or 40 amps (8/3).
I don't have to enclose all the electronics in a $100+ enclosure/box do I?
If I don't need a box for everything, then can I use something like a Square D 30-Amp Fusible Metallic Disconnect?
https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...-30a-2p-nema1/
Then, from the box breakout a 4 Gang 110v outlet and 1 220v outlet. Using conduit between the outlet boxes to keep it nice looking.
If all this above is nonsense, do you have a link to a diagram or picture of an install I can follow?
Thanks
Charles
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Originally Posted by
cduncan64
How does this sound?
Even though my CNC is 15 ft away from the breaker panel, I would like a main shut off for everything (except PC).
That means the
VFD
Smoothstepper wall-wart power supply
and 48v 12.5 A power supply would all be fed from the same 220v box (sub panel? I don't know what its called).
The subpanel would be fed with a cable that can handle 30 amps (10/3) or 40 amps (8/3).
I don't have to enclose all the electronics in a $100+ enclosure/box do I?
If I don't need a box for everything, then can I use something like a Square D 30-Amp Fusible Metallic Disconnect?
https://www.schneider-electric.us/en...-30a-2p-nema1/
Then, from the box breakout a 4 Gang 110v outlet and 1 220v outlet. Using conduit between the outlet boxes to keep it nice looking.
If all this above is nonsense, do you have a link to a diagram or picture of an install I can follow?
Thanks
Charles
You really should have a Box to put everything in, but a lot do have the VFD outside
From your main panel you would have to use a 4 wire cable not 3 as you have suggested using 10/3, you need a 4wire cable to be able to do 120v and 240v from the same supply you need a Neutral and a Ground
So from the main panel you would wire to a disconnect from the disconnect you would use a 2 Pole Breaker for the 240v and a single Pole Breaker for the 120v supply, these would need to be correctly mounted in a box along with everything else that you can fit in it for your machine
You mount every thing on a metal plate and this plate is Grounded with a ( star point Stud or Bus ) The metal Plate is called a Ground Plane
The 240v supply Voltage is wired / connected to the Disconnect Just the 2 Hot wires in your case most Disconnects are 3Pole but you only use 2 of the Poles for switching
Here is a disconnect and the Breakers you would use they don't have to be the same as this but they will be of a similar type
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Originally Posted by
mactec54
You really should have a Box to put everything in, but a lot do have the VFD outside
From your main panel you would have to use a 4 wire cable not 3 as you have suggested using 10/3, you need a 4wire cable to be able to do 120v and 240v from the same supply you need a Neutral and a Ground
So from the main panel you would wire to a disconnect from the disconnect you would use a 2 Pole Breaker for the 240v and a single Pole Breaker for the 120v supply, these would need to be correctly mounted in a box along with everything else that you can fit in it for your machine
You mount every thing on a metal plate and this plate is Grounded with a ( star point Stud or Bus ) The metal Plate is called a Ground Plane
The 240v supply Voltage is wired / connected to the Disconnect Just the 2 Hot wires in your case most Disconnects are 3Pole but you only use 2 of the Poles for switching
Here is a disconnect and the Breakers you would use they don't have to be the same as this but they will be of a similar type
In regards to 4 wire cable, I would call it 10/4, but for some reason,Romex calls it 10/3 with ground. It has the four wires. Red, Black, White and bare. I can't blame this on Chinese. But yeah, I know what you meant.
Thanks.
Charles
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cduncan64
In regards to 4 wire cable, I would call it 10/4, but for some reason,Romex calls it 10/3 with ground. It has the four wires. Red, Black, White and bare. I can't blame this on Chinese. But yeah, I know what you meant.
Thanks.
Charles
Yes of course Romex is fine as long as it is installed correctly, Cable and Romex are to different things, most machines like CNC Routers are installed with a Cable from a wall plug
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A few more questions:
1. Do I need an EMI filter for the VFD supply?
2. Which should I use relays or contactors, that are also controlled by my E-stop switch, to turn off the VFD, Cooling pump, Stepper motor controller?
Thanks,
Charles
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Didn't realize how expensive enclosures could be.
Saw this steel tool cabinet at a store nearby.
Its 28" x 28" x 12" for $80.00 Not very dustproof since there are no seals, but that's an easy fix.
The shelf is removable.
https://www.cnczone.com/forums/attac...d=416210&stc=1
Would that suffice?
Thanks,
Charles