UPGRADING THE MILL TURN SPINDLE FOR HIGH SPEED USE

The Mill Turn spindle is designed to run at the spec speed of 4750 RPM. However, for those who want higher speeds, a fairly simple and inexpensive upgrade is available which will increase your speeds to the 7000 RPM range while retaining all your original lower speeds.

The current bearings are
TD 5207-2RS 1/P5 LOWER
TD 5206-2RS 1P/5 UPPER

These are double sealed bearings with the seals rated to a maximum of 240 degrees.

For the 7000 RPM range, we suggest the following
TD 5207-RS 1P/5 LOWER
TD 5207-RS 1P5 UPPER
These bearings are single sealed with the same 240 degree heat rating, but with only a single seal which reduces friction and heat by 50%. The bearings would be installed with the seals on the outside of the cartridge.

In order to achieve the higher spindle speeds, it will be necessary to change the drive pulley ratios. A simple solution is to replace the motor pulley with a 6" diameter unit, but it has 2 drawbacks- 1. unless you can find a good quality aluminum one, a cast iron one will be very heavy. 2. The close distance between the pulleys and the difference in diameter would give only about 30% contact area on the driven pulley resulting in potential slippage under load.
The better solution is to use tooth belts which have no slippage issues.
The pulleys would be 18 L 050 on the spindle and 35 L 050 on the motor. This would give you 7000 rpm at 120 Hz.
Note: the 050 means the belt is 1/2" wide. These are sufficiently rated for a 2 HP motor, but you can also go to an 075 belt which is 3/4" wide if you prefer.
The bearing numbers are universal and can be sourced from a lot of suppliers at around 30-40.00 each.
The tooth belt pulleys and proper belts can be sourced here XL037 3/8

The bearing swap can be done in an hour, but the pulleys will need to be bored to fit the spindle and the motor, which you can do on your lathe. You will also need to make an aluminum disc to fit above the spindle pulley to accept the sensor magnet.

Probably 4 hours total time once you have all the components and a cost of around 150.00 in parts.

E-bay is a great place for bearings- with a little searching you can find them dirt cheap.
Qty 1 5207 2RS Double Row Angular Seals Bearing 5207 RS Ball Bearings 5207 RS | eBay

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Originally Posted by JTJT

The Mill Turn spindle is designed to run at the spec speed of 4750 RPM.

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That's good of you to update the website and set specs that are more in-line with what's being sold. Sucks for the rest of us that bought our machines while they were still being advertised as 0-5000rpm.

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Originally Posted by JTJT

The current bearings are
TD 5207-2RS 1/P5 LOWER
TD 5206-2RS 1P/5 UPPER

These are double sealed bearings with the seals rated to a maximum of 240 degrees.

For the 7000 RPM range, we suggest the following
TD 5207-RS 1P/5 LOWER
TD 5207-RS 1P5 UPPER
These bearings are single sealed with the same 240 degree heat rating, but with only a single seal which reduces friction and heat by 50%. The bearings would be installed with the seals on the outside of the cartridge.

In order to achieve the higher spindle speeds, it will be necessary to change the drive pulley ratios. A simple solution is to replace the motor pulley with a 6" diameter unit, but it has 2 drawbacks- 1. unless you can find a good quality aluminum one, a cast iron one will be very heavy. 2. The close distance between the pulleys and the difference in diameter would give only about 30% contact area on the driven pulley resulting in potential slippage under load.
The better solution is to use tooth belts which have no slippage issues.
The pulleys would be 18 L 050 on the spindle and 35 L 050 on the motor. This would give you 7000 rpm at 120 Hz.
Note: the 050 means the belt is 1/2" wide. These are sufficiently rated for a 2 HP motor, but you can also go to an 075 belt which is 3/4" wide if you prefer.
The bearing numbers are universal and can be sourced from a lot of suppliers at around 30-40.00 each.
The tooth belt pulleys and proper belts can be sourced here XL037 3/8

The bearing swap can be done in an hour, but the pulleys will need to be bored to fit the spindle and the motor, which you can do on your lathe. You will also need to make an aluminum disc to fit above the spindle pulley to accept the sensor magnet.

Probably 4 hours total time once you have all the components and a cost of around 150.00 in parts.

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That's funny, because all the emails I have from you say you don't know what bearings are in the machine and that it can only be serviced by sending it back.
Any chance you can send out these parts to current owners whose machines aren't meeting the original advertised performance?

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Originally Posted by n1tr0

That's good of you to update the website and set specs that are more in-line with what's being sold. Sucks for the rest of us that bought our machines while they were ]still being advertised as 0-5000rpm That's funny, because all the emails I have from you say you don't know what bearings are in the machine and that it can only be serviced by sending it back.
Any chance you can send out these parts to current owners whose machines aren't meeting the original advertised performance?

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Series 1 machines actually had a 7000 rpm spindle ( 6880 for the OCD crowd) and they used 4 single row angular contact bearings with external seals like the Skyfire. However customers seemed concerned about the heat generated by the spindle at high rpm and we decided to re-design the cartridge using 2 fully sealed double row angular contact bearings and different pulleys. The nominal rpm was 5000, but there were also 2 different style 3 phase motors, some wired in the star configuration and some delta, and they also had a slight variation in rpm, accounting for the small percentage difference from the design specs. The RPM actually was calculated at 4895 based on the motor speed and pulley ratios, but due to variations in the motor style and Chinese V belt thickness, that varied up and down as well, and we had a few guys who seemed overly concerned about this not being exactly on the money, so we simply reduced the written spec to 4750, so that we could be confident that all the machines would reach that number. Early on we sent out upgrade bearings to customers, but the bearings need to be pressed onto the spindle in a certain way as well as pressed into the cartridge correctly. We simply had too many who damaged the new bearings and wasted time and money, so we now have a strict policy on spindles that we only do the bearing replacements here. If you feel qualified to do your own rebuild, you are free to return your old bearings under warranty and we will send out new ones, with the caveat that any future failure of the spindle will not be covered under warranty. I think you will find that is the policy of most other machine companies as well. Here is a link to an owner of another brand who had a similar issue.
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormac...tormach-4.html

Recently purchased a used Mill/Turn.
A clean 3 year old machine that appeared to have never cut any material.
No scratches or dings or files on the computer.
Computer being Windows XP and not turned on for 3 years it was so out of date it barely functioned.

Turning either spindle by hand required too much effort so I took the spindles out to review the problem.
All of the bearings were completely dry but the bigger problem was the rubber seals being squished between the bearing face and the spindle flange.
The outside diameter of the seals was not / could not fit inside the housings. Never seen a seal improperly used in this way.

I changed the set up to be like a motorcycle wheel with a spacer tube between the bearings and one bearing captured in the housing.
This allows the side loads to be shared by all bearings.
Bearings were changed to Nachi deep groove metal shielded.
Lathe spindle = 6210ZZE
Mill spindle = 6207ZZE and 6206ZZE

For the pulleys I consulted with Misumi who recommended the S5M belt size.
I used their calculator to come up with these part numbers :
Belt = HTBN575S5M-250
Motor = HTPA60S5M250-A-H24
Spindle = HTPA30S5M250-B-H25

Spindles now turn as expected.