Cincinnati Milacron Sabre 750 , VFS5 problem

Hi all

I tell them what happened!!!!

there was a blackout of electric current ,low and quickly climbed 2 times.the switch was in position on.

after the electric current was normalized turned on the machine and surprise, the control starts and loads fine but not power ( power required) I see the VFS5 Driver

Now VFS5 LED.
-Active llluminated.
-System OK not llluminated.
-CPU flashing.
-Fault not llluminated

then see this in other forum:
Hello Udom,
It sounds like the program is corrupt on your VFS5. A flashing CPU light means the spindle drive is stuck in autobaud. <Waiting to find the correct com port baud rate>
Here is a link to the software to communicate with your spindle drive from Kollmorgen.
404 - File or directory not found.
The communications cable you need is 3 wires, NO more. End to end the com's cable wires as follows.
Pins 2-3, 3-2, 5-5
Hope this helps, just IM me if you have anymore specific questions. !

Forgot to mention this before. If your CPU light is flashing you'll have to scan twice to find the drive normally. The first time locks the baudrate, the second scan should find it and talk.

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after making 2 scans,

VFS5 Spindle drive LEDs are:
ACTIVE: OFF
OK SYS: on
CPU: on
FAULT: on

now the machine can ON ,align all axis but when put command M3S1000 said waiting for spindle feedback then show "alarm Spindle Drive not ready"


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I connect SR232 cable with motionlink plus and show this error's

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NOTE: machine working fine before blackout of electric current


I found this in manual kollmorgen

ERROR 27 “R/D JUMPERS” SEVERITY 3
Either the jumpers on your VECTORSTAR MC2 card are incorrectly set or the wrong TL has been loaded. Contact the factory

ERROR 83 “BAD OR OUT OF RANGE” SEVERITY 2
You entered a parameter to an instruction that was too large or too small. Check Appendix F for limits on variables. This
error can also occur when a parameter is in the wrong format, such as a character string where a number is expected.
This error breaks program execution if the instruction is issued from the user program.

ERROR 84 “OUT OF BOUNDS” SEVERITY 2
The variable listed is out of bounds. If the variable is protected (that is, set by the factory as defined in Appendix F),
contact the factory. If the variable is not protected, set it within its bounds. This error breaks execution.


any idea or recommendation ??

WOW. Power outage while on did THIS?? Must have been big HI VOLTAGE spike when power went out!!

error83 & 84 are either because YOU typed in bad commands in terminal window - DID YOU? LOOKS LIKE 11 TIMES?

If not you, then it tells us the battery in BRAM memory chip is bad...

R/D jumpers fault is because we have to set jumpers on drive inside to match the parameter RDRES: your fault says they are not set same (should be RDRES=12 for 12bit resolver)

Flashing READY means your memory is bad too!

We actually have the [majority] of default Saber 750 parameters and program stored in batt backed portion of the memory in drive AND IT IS LOADED EVERY TIME POWER IS APPLIED - with the internal command LOAD=1

one such parameter is ABAUD=0 so READY LED does NOT flash and baud is set to IIRC 9600...

So your power spike caused memory problems....
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It MAY be that you can reload just the motor TL file and recover - since BOTH RDRES & ABAUD bbbkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

my computer locked up.... continuing my reply....

if any VARIABLES are lost, those are proprietary and thus I cannot sent the .var file or .bds file to you.... to reload those requires we get your drive and do it in our shop...

if you check ABAUD & RDRES and reset them and it still does not work, email me mike at Kilroy Was Here dot com and I will email you back the .TL file for your machine.....

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Originally Posted by mike_Kilroy

my computer locked up.... continuing my reply....

if any VARIABLES are lost, those are proprietary and thus I cannot sent the .var file or .bds file to you.... to reload those requires we get your drive and do it in our shop...

if you check ABAUD & RDRES and reset them and it still does not work, email me mike at Kilroy Was Here dot com and I will email you back the .TL file for your machine.....

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thanks Mike for you fast reply!!!!

yes I put bad commands ,is my first time that I used motionlink plus.

I'll tell you as I have understood what to do, if I'm wrong you can tell me what I have to do and how to do it exactly, please


open motionlink plus , go to terminal, type RDRES=12 enter , type ABAUD=0 enter . this is I need do ????


thanks Again

i sent you an email:

You said:

yes I put bad commands ,is my first time that I used motionlink plus.

I'll tell you as I have understood what to do, if I'm wrong you can tell me what I have to do and how to do it exactly, please


open motionlink plus , go to terminal, type RDRES=12 enter , type ABAUD=0 enter . this is I need do ????
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Yes, BUT
FIRST type in P RDres & P ABAUD to SEE what they are set to now!
THEN correct them if needed.
Since it is batt backed Ram, no need to 'save' them - just typing them in saves them.
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Attached is .TL file.... remember that motionlink is 20 yr old program so file names can only be 8.3 in size....
how to load it?
let me try to count steps:

start motionlink plus
when asked to BREAK program, pick YES
click on CONFIG icon top
click on OPEN on right
pick the sample.tl file from where you copied it onto your hard drive
click on XMT on right to SEND it to the VFS5 drive
hour glass rotates showing it is busy going....
When done, exit motionlink plus
cycle power to VFS5 to restart it (not required to load new TL, it will be active immediately, but to RESTART the internal program -easiest way to explain how to do that)

Hope that fixesw your problem - let us know...

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Originally Posted by mike_Kilroy

i sent you an email:

You said:

yes I put bad commands ,is my first time that I used motionlink plus.

I'll tell you as I have understood what to do, if I'm wrong you can tell me what I have to do and how to do it exactly, please


open motionlink plus , go to terminal, type RDRES=12 enter , type ABAUD=0 enter . this is I need do ????
----------------------------------------------------------
Yes, BUT
FIRST type in P RDres & P ABAUD to SEE what they are set to now!
THEN correct them if needed.
Since it is batt backed Ram, no need to 'save' them - just typing them in saves them.
-----------------------------------------------

Attached is .TL file.... remember that motionlink is 20 yr old program so file names can only be 8.3 in size....
how to load it?
let me try to count steps:

start motionlink plus
when asked to BREAK program, pick YES
click on CONFIG icon top
click on OPEN on right
pick the sample.tl file from where you copied it onto your hard drive
click on XMT on right to SEND it to the VFS5 drive
hour glass rotates showing it is busy going....
When done, exit motionlink plus
cycle power to VFS5 to restart it (not required to load new TL, it will be active immediately, but to RESTART the internal program -easiest way to explain how to do that)

Hope that fixesw your problem - let us know...

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hi mike

I check P RDres and P abaud motionlink show : P RDres 94 and P abaud 0 . I put command rdres=12 enter motion link said ERR11 'RDRES' factory settable ,I check again but is same P RDres 94 and P abaud 0

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how I can change RD res to 12??? or I'm not doing things right?? or load TL file that you send me??

thanks

did you try to load the TL file I sent? I believe it should load without password.

sorry about forgetting that rdres needs a password to change.... how do we get around that? do you know free teamviewer? can I come over internet to your laptop running motionlink and do these things for you? (I am not allowed to give any passwords).

Your rdres=94 indeed shows your drive got a hellova voltage spike that screwed up at least 1 variable. There may be more but we should try to get you past rdres first to see if that gets you running quickly.

tell me if we can teamview.

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Originally Posted by mike_Kilroy

did you try to load the TL file I sent? I believe it should load without password.

sorry about forgetting that rdres needs a password to change.... how do we get around that? do you know free teamviewer? can I come over internet to your laptop running motionlink and do these things for you? (I am not allowed to give any passwords).

Your rdres=94 indeed shows your drive got a hellova voltage spike that screwed up at least 1 variable. There may be more but we should try to get you past rdres first to see if that gets you running quickly.

tell me if we can teamview.

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Hi Mike

this is actual TL file in drive:
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I try to load TL file that you send me but not was possible.because when load the motionlink show some error example RD ( this tl file no have RDRES) ,ERR 208 'C12'

this is TL file that send me :
;TL VFS5 v1.1.1
;
MOTOR = V203ACN
;
AMPS = 30
VOLTS = 230
;
;
;UNITS:
;
INUM = 4095
IDEN = 100
VNUM = 44740
VDEN = 10
;
;
;TUNING VARIABLES:
;
KP = 492
KPROP = 5000
KV = 2056
KVI = 1000
LPF = 1
LPFHZ = 100
;
;
;PROTECTED VARIABLES:
;
AMPS = 30
ANGLD = 0
BSLIP = 7650
FOLDD = 100
FOLDR = 900
FOLDT = 200
IBASE = 98
ICONT = 45
IMAX = 67
IND = 1
IZERO = 25
MADV = 0
MANG = 165
MSLIP = 0
POLES = 512
SGOOSE = 0
SLOPE = 41
VADVTBL = 12500
VBASE = 1500
VMAX = 12000
VOLTS = 230


ERR 208 'C12' INTERNAL

I modified the TL file original with parameters of you TL file , put RDRES and erase ERR 208 'C12' INTERNAL .

this TL file modified was possible load and now P RDRES is 12

see TL modified :

;TL VFS5 v1.0.3cC
;
MOTOR = V203ACN
;
AMPS = 30
VOLTS = 230
;
;
;UNITS:
;
INUM = 4095
IDEN = 100
VNUM = 44740
VDEN = 10
;
;
;TUNING VARIABLES:
;
KP = 492
KPROP = 5000
KV = 2056
KVI = 1000
LPF = 1
LPFHZ = 100
;
;
;PROTECTED VARIABLES:
;
AMPS = 30
ANGLD = 0
BSLIP = 7650
FOLDD = 100
FOLDR = 900
FOLDT = 200
IBASE = 98
ICONT = 45
IMAX = 67
IND = 1
IZERO = 25
MADV = 0
MANG = 165
MSLIP = 0
POLES = 512
RDRES = 12
SGOOSE = 0
SLOPE = 41
VADVTBL = 12500
VBASE = 1500
VMAX = 12000
VOLTS = 230


then restart power but is same led on fault ,I check err hist

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restart power and check err hist again

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What else can I do?? what do you think??

thanks for you support!!!

The erro 208 C12 is common as last line and means nothing; not a problem.

Yes, sounds like not only the .TL file waqs corrupted by your voltage spike, but also the program and its variables. I had hoped just a few were messed up but no luck.

The program will need to be reloaded into the drive.

Unfortunately we are not allowed by law to do that unless the drive is in our shop. Passwords and stuff needed. Sorry. Unless you want to send it to us to reload, I am afraid our hands are tied and we cannot help further.

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Originally Posted by mike_Kilroy

The erro 208 C12 is common as last line and means nothing; not a problem.

Yes, sounds like not only the .TL file waqs corrupted by your voltage spike, but also the program and its variables. I had hoped just a few were messed up but no luck.

The program will need to be reloaded into the drive.

Unfortunately we are not allowed by law to do that unless the drive is in our shop. Passwords and stuff needed. Sorry. Unless you want to send it to us to reload, I am afraid our hands are tied and we cannot help further.

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thanks very much for you support!!!!!

check you email i send request for you quote me program and variables reload .

thanks again

If SRAM random value - Init on programator SRAM DS1230Y-200 all bytes zero
on address sram 5672h - value voltage (if 230V- E6h 00h)
on address sram 56B9h - value RDRES (12 0Ch)
if loading tl voltage and RDRES not equal edit previos values - will be ERROR 18 “BAD TL”
then restore you tl ,var ,bds prog