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  1. #1
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    Issue with G71 and Taper angle

    I am trying to create a 3/8 NPT. here is the code for the event

    G01X.636F0.0556
    G71X.5788Z-.2735A178.201H.0481D.02U.02B60F.056J18

    When I use this I get an Error Code 2254

    If I input A as 1.7988 the cycle runs but the taper is inward

    What am I doing wrong here

    thanks
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    I typically is an I value rather than an A. Have you tried a negative A value with the small angle?

    I think your A178 is too large according to the error message.

    Best regards,

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    I agree, I never use the A value, I always use I, it's much simpler, less trig. is always better in my book.

    Robert
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    The whole point of using the A value is that you can easily enter the taper angle for the desired thread.
    i.e 1.798 for BSPT threads.
    The idea behind the I value is for taper correction.
    You are probably just entering the angle improperly. A178.2 is totally incorrect.
    A1.798 should be correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broby View Post
    The whole point of using the A value is that you can easily enter the taper angle for the desired thread.
    i.e 1.798 for BSPT threads.
    The idea behind the I value is for taper correction.
    You are probably just entering the angle improperly. A178.2 is totally incorrect.
    A1.798 should be correct.
    Yeah but who the hell uses bspt threads, freakin' Aussies.

    I cut a few different angles on threads so I like the I value. But like I said before I never use the A, does it cut the right thread angle regardless of lenght of engagement or start points or whatever?

    Robert
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    Quote Originally Posted by littlerob View Post
    Yeah but who the hell uses bspt threads, freakin' Aussies.

    I cut a few different angles on threads so I like the I value. But like I said before I never use the A, does it cut the right thread angle regardless of lenght of engagement or start points or whatever?

    Robert
    haha up yours Rob!
    Well Rob, we actually use BSPT and NPT threads fairly often.
    Could also be used for API threads, but that is a Licensed thread form I think...?

    haha just goes to show ho dumb you damn yanks are...!
    Yes the taper angle stays consistent over whatever length that you specify, or whether you change the start point on X.

    Cheers to you, you dumb bum!
    hahahahhahahahahahhaa
    Brian.

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    I've never used the "A" function in a thread cycle, only the "I" factor. I do know that for "A" - it's degrees specified from 3 O'clock, at least on my OSP5000. So a 178 in "A" would be nearly 180 degrees from 3 O'Clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broby View Post
    haha up yours Rob!
    Well Rob, we actually use BSPT and NPT threads fairly often.
    Could also be used for API threads, but that is a Licensed thread form I think...?

    haha just goes to show ho dumb you damn yanks are...!
    Yes the taper angle stays consistent over whatever length that you specify, or whether you change the start point on X.

    Cheers to you, you dumb bum!
    hahahahhahahahahahhaa
    Brian.
    Oh nice, the hits keep coming. I cut ALOT of API threads, I don't know about any license agreement. Easy enough though. I may try using the A value though, it seems like there was something that turned me off about using it, I just can't remeber what it was.
    The beaten path, is exclusively for beaten men.

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    You 2 are worse than the kids in the back seat
    "are we there yet ?",
    " how long now ? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlerob View Post
    Oh nice, the hits keep coming. I cut ALOT of API threads, I don't know about any license agreement. Easy enough though. I may try using the A value though, it seems like there was something that turned me off about using it, I just can't remeber what it was.
    Was probably your dumb brain being unable to understand the command!

    BTW He started it first!
    He poked me!!

    Are we there yet?

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    The beaten path, is exclusively for beaten men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingo0722 View Post
    I am trying to create a 3/8 NPT. here is the code for the event

    G01X.636F0.0556
    G71X.5788Z-.2735A178.201H.0481D.02U.02B60F.056J18

    When I use this I get an Error Code 2254

    If I input A as 1.7988 the cycle runs but the taper is inward

    What am I doing wrong here

    thanks
    Did you find out solution

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    Re: Issue with G71 and Taper angle

    hi Chispas, i don't have time now to test the original code ... please, what exactly do you wish ?

    The whole point of using the A value is that you can easily enter the taper angle for the desired thread
    yup, indeed, A value is pretty expressive to input the desired angle, and it remains the same, regardless of threading travel, that may change when clearances are shifted

    So a 178 in "A" would be nearly 180 degrees from 3 O'Clock
    trigonometry has some simetry among the quadrants, so check this code, with a simplified value for the A argument; ups, i just saw that also mr wizard sugested this at #2 / kindly

    Code:
        G50 S2000
        G00 X500 Z250
        T101
        G97 S1234 M42 (M08) M03
        G00 X50 Z5
        G33 X40 Z-35 F0.75 G95 A-2
        G00 X500 Z250 T100
        M02
    
    
    (
         A           X for thread end
        178 or -2     42.793
        182 or  2     37.207
    
    
      checking : [ 42.793 + 37.207 ] / 2 = 40 : same as G33 X40
                    2.793 / 2 = 1.3965        : same as attached
    
    
    )
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