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    Long threads on swiss

    Is it possible or not to make a single point thread longer then the guide bushing without mismatch on middle of thread.






    Machine STAR SA-12 with sub and a axis
    FANUC 18i-T


    Cut thread for example :

    #10-32 2a

    thread length 2."

    material 303 ss

    Do you know a way to lead-in in the middle of thread

    Tried G76

    First G76 starts before Z-0.0625
    end Z0.4375

    Second G76 starts at Z0.375
    end Z0.875

    and continue till 2"
    --------------------------------------
    Tried G32

    First line G32 lead in \
    second line G32 feed ______
    Third line G32 feed out /


    Is there a parameter that controls G76 cycle to lead in in correct spot



    Thanks

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    Every machine will probably be a bit different. You just have to figure out how much the mismatch is and correct for it in the programming. I would recommend G32 so you can ramp into the thread as you indicated to make a smoother transition.

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    :)

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    I actually have accomplished this, not on swiss though. I did it by hand feeding out and using the tool tip to position the thread at a needed Z location. I was able to run a 1/4"-20 thread on 304 stainless more than 2-1/2" long without using a tail stock on 3 pull outs. I think it was for some kind of adjustment for blood bag agitation machine for use in blood transfusions.

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    Additional thought. If your machine has live tooling and C axis and you can find the appropriate profile milling tool, mill the thread in a single pass.

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    We do this in our Citizen L20s all the time. G32 is the command.
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    SAMPLE CODE

    Can you post sample code that you are running on your machines.

    Thanks




    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMc View Post
    We do this in our Citizen L20s all the time. G32 is the command.

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    Sure............here is the code for the first pass:

    T500(DCMT 3-0-SM)
    M3S1=3000
    G0X0.3365Z0.T5
    G1X0.2965F0.0014
    X-0.016
    X-0.056
    X0.132
    X0.193Z0.035
    G1Z.36
    X.37W.092
    G0X.412T0

    M92
    T300(ISCAR 24 THREAD)
    G97M3S1=2000
    G4U1.0
    G99G0X.412Z-.1Y0T37
    X0.28Z-.1
    G32X.18Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.274Z-.1
    G32X.174Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.269Z-.1
    G32X.169Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.264Z-.1
    G32X.164Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.26Z-.1
    G32X.160Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.256Z-.1
    X.156
    G32X.156Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.254Z-.1
    G32X.154Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.252Z-.1
    G32X.152Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.252Z-.1
    G32X.152Z-.01666F.04167
    Z.33
    U.1W.05
    G0X.412W-.2T0
    M93
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    ...............and here is the second pass:

    T500(DCMT 3-0-SM)
    M3S1=3000
    G0X0.3365Z.3T5
    G1X.193F.001
    G1Z.67
    X.37W.092
    G0X.412T0

    M92
    T300(ISCAR 24 THREAD)
    G97M3S1=2000
    G4U1.0
    G99G0X.412Z.15002Y0T38
    X.28
    G32X.18Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.274Z.15002
    G32X.174Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.269Z.15002
    G32X.169Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.264Z.15002
    G32X.164Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.260Z.15002
    G32X.160Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.256Z.15002
    G32X.156Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.254Z.15002
    G32X.154Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.252Z.15002
    G32X.152Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.252Z.15002
    G32X.152Z.23336F.04167
    Z.64
    U.1W.05
    G0X.412W-.2T0
    M93
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    We do this 5 or 6 times to get the length entire length of the part. This is a 10-24 thread, and a 12-24, or 10-32 is completely different of course, but this should give you the basic idea.
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    Program

    Thanks

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    1 st try

    First try no luck.
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    Looks like you need to move the Z start point about 0.020". Can't tell which direction though because you did not indicate the leading surface.

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    I have never done that, but nice to know it works if it ever comes up.
    Thanks for the info!

    I do a lot of G32 threads on my STAR. I use macros to save all that code writing.

    Try this out if it's not too crazy for you all:

    #531=.250(STOCK DIA.) I always use this macro at the top of my programs.


    N50(THREAD ROUTINE)
    #1=.210(START DIA)
    #2=.004(PECK)
    #3=.1508(MINOR DIA.)
    #4=2(# OF FINISH PASSES)
    T400(THINBIT STTD)
    /M25
    G97S1000M3
    G0X[#531+.02]Z-.05T4
    #33=0
    N51
    G0X[#1+.05]
    G32U-.05W.0143F.03125
    Z.5
    U.05W.025
    G0U.075
    Z-.05
    #1=#1-#2
    IF[#1GT#3]GOTO51
    IF[#1LE#3]THEN#1=#3
    #33=#33+1
    IF[#33LT#4]GOTO51
    G0X1.
    Z-.05T0
    M1

    Now for a deburr pass after turning the thread again simply
    change #1 to equal the minor dia(or a few tenths larger) and
    you will only get the number of passes set by #4.

    You should be able to use this with what ever Z #'s you need to make your long threads.

    It helps(cycle time) to run this as a sub program if you have a really long main program.

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    Does your machine have tools that you can bring up to guide bushing while threading? If so have you tried making a custom support and putting it in that tool location to support the workpiece when it is hanging out of the guide bushing a considerable amount?

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    If the cycel time is not a huge concern then use G650 commands to support the thread with the sub spindle. If you do this it doesn't matter how long the thread is as long as it can be grabbed in one single chucking amount. wait... Is this a citizen machine?

    L-20 and A32 I use G32

    A20 machine G650

    G650- Machining mode change to superimpose Z2 on to Z1. G650 will queue
    with both lines $1-$2 then with M130, make Z2 follow Z1.
    Example -when we pick up a part and chamfer we while we have the
    back spindle collet closed on the part. Also if we are using Z2
    as a work support.
    Also Automaticly $1-G99 is for S1 and $2-G99 is for S2.

    Note- Any shift, "G50W-.125", on Z1 must be canceled, "G50W.125", before
    G650 or G650 won't find the face of the part!

    G650 G650
    G0 Z-.1(bring Z2 to Z1-.1)
    !2L650 G1Z1.F.05(feed over)

    G50W-.125 M15(close collet)
    (moving Z1) !1L650(let $1 continue)
    "
    G1X-.1F.001
    G600 G600(bring Z2 back)
    G50W.125 M25
    S1=1500
    M7
    G0X-.1Z-.005T0
    M56
    G999 G999
    N999 N999
    M2 M2
    M99 M99

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    that didn't split correctly $1 an $2

    [QUOTE=carmstrongls1;1226119]If the cycel time is not a huge concern then use G650 commands to support the thread with the sub spindle. If you do this it doesn't matter how long the thread is as long as it can be grabbed in one single chucking amount. wait... Is this a citizen machine?

    L-20 and A32 I use G32

    A20 machine G650

    G650- Machining mode change to superimpose Z2 on to Z1. G650 will queue
    with both lines $1-$2 then with M130, make Z2 follow Z1.
    Example -when we pick up a part and chamfer we while we have the
    back spindle collet closed on the part. Also if we are using Z2
    as a work support.
    Also Automaticly $1-G99 is for S1 and $2-G99 is for S2.

    Note- Any shift, "G50W-.125", on Z1 must be canceled, "G50W.125", before
    G650 or G650 won't find the face of the part!


    $1
    G650
    !2L650
    G50W-.125
    (moving Z1)
    G1X-.1F.001
    G600
    G50W.125 S1=1500
    M7
    G0X-.1Z-.005T0
    M56
    G999
    N999
    M2
    M99


    $2
    G650
    G0 Z-.1(bring Z2 to Z1-.1)
    G1Z1.F.05(feed over)
    M15(close collet)
    !1L650(let $1 continue)
    G600(bring Z2 back)
    M25
    G999
    N999
    M2
    M99

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    G32 is the way to go. I did a job that had a 3.0" long 5/16 thread and was able to get in 3 bar feeds and continous threading. was a pain to get it just right though.
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