[tinylaser]

Everyone want to buy low cost laser engraver from China directly to save the money.

There are many suppliers in China, some company can provide the good service, some company can not, some of them is a reseller, some is real vendors.

Some skills about how to select the good suppliers:

Key1: If the company sell more than 3 kinds machine, it is a reseller.

Key2: If you call the sales man and ask some questions about laser engravers, if they can not answer you ASAP, it is a reseller.

Key3: If you ask the company to provide the CE document, if they can NOT, it is a reseller, or it is a manufacturer without CE document.

Key4: If a company has many distributors in the world, it is a good manufacturers.

Key5: HONGKONG, GUANGZHOU, SHANGHAI is only a trade city, i think no manufacturer in this city, please clear your eyes.

Key6:They are many small laser engraver(the Model of this machine is almost ?????40A) in china, the selling price in china is only 500 USD, but is only for engraving CHINA rubber stamp, but some supplier sell it to oversea maket with 900-1200 USD, if you buy this machine, i think it no use:
1) It come with moshi draw or newdragon software, it can not cut.
2) the laser power supply is very simple without protection, it is dangerous.
3) only a little copmany make this machine in a small town, the quality is a TOP problem.

If you want to buy this machine, i can tell you where you can buy it. it is almost 500 USD without service and warranty.:withstupi

[wklaser]

Hi, some of your words are correct. We are the REAL manufacture from China, Also, we have the CE certificate. if you need, kindly contact me . My email sis [email protected]

[tinylaser]

I hope every "real" vendors don't talk big here, if you have CE document, please show your document in CNCZONE.

I only know a little company in China have CE, the CE only for a little model instead of every models.

If everyone buy a laser machine without CE certifcitaed, it is dangerous for end users.

If you are end users, the laser can hurt you some times;
If you are distributors, you client can claim you because the machine without CE.

:withstupi

[coleong]

Hi Tinylaser,

I presume you are working in a laser company.

Is it possible for you to post some pictures of bad laser examples ((
"only a little copmany make this machine in a small town
")) you have seen on CNCZONE.

This will help other people to judge what is bad or is good.

[wklaser]

OK, now I am attaching our CE certificat here, see the attachments plz.

[tinylaser]

To Coleong,

I think you make a misunderstand.
I don't know what is "bad laser examples" as you said.
To be honest, i'm only a reseller in China instead of a vendors.

The laser engraver manufacture in small town is good product and low
cost, but it is only suitable for china market. because of the
design, software limitations, safety standard and etc.

The Europe has CE standand, the US has UL or FDA standard.....
So i think the some china low cost laser engraver is not CE approved
or UL approved, i think it's wrong to tell lies.

Which laser engraver is good or bad? i think the machine with CE
approved is good one.

I sold a almost 150 units low cost laser engraver in China market
every year, the price is almost 500 USD, but i found some supplier
sell this machine with 900-1200 USD in the Internet, so i think they
are not honest, because they earn a lot money and can not provide the
good service.

:withstupi

[kingrabbit]

wklaser,

I doubt if your CE certificate is "real".
I bought one from "world laser", (they told me that they were your dealer in USA). The laser engraver is so bad, I had to spend a lot of time in looking for someone to fix it, making me exhausted. The work by your laser is attached.
I really do NOT believe a laser engraver with CE proved can do such work. For the laser engraver, the emergncy stop button is standard for CE, but I found your machine had no such a button. I know the CE has machine standard, the top important for a laser engraver are EMC and LVD, you only show the EMC document without the LVD, it is funny.
I feel I was so stubpid to follow your company, I was cheated by your company and your dealer.

[wklaser]

Kingrabbit,
I wonder you doubt our CE certificate is nnot real. We don't have a autuorized dealer in USA, I doubit if you are one of our competer just post this article to bespatter us..lol..
One of our clients from UK, who are also a member of the CNC zone, just received our model and they kindly made one website just for our models and intend to resell our products in UK. And also some clients of us in US, and Italy.
Anybody who doubt our machines, CE certificate or after service, can send me private messege or email to this address; [email protected], I will send their contact info for you.

By the way, we can not guarantee that our products are perfect and the best one in the world, but we can guarantee that once the models you buy are unfortunatrly with a little problem, we will help you with it and must not disappear from the world.

[coleong]

To Tinylaser,

Its good you can write better english then most of the chinese postings on CNCZONE.

Actually i was refering to the following points in your earlier posting:-

2) the laser power supply is very simple without protection, it is dangerous.
3) only a little copmany make this machine in a small town, the quality is a TOP problem
If everyone buy a laser machine without CE certifcitaed, it is dangerous for end users.
If you are end users, the laser can hurt you some times;

I cannot deny what you have said above can be true but i am now wondering why the chinese goverment allows allow the sales of these items.

I have heard and also seen people have their finger crush by stamping machines which the safety removed or bypassed (2 hand button) because they can do the work faster.

Talking about high power lasers - some operators/boss bypass the safety door because the operator can pick up the part when it it tilted and also hear the operator finger burn by laser beam because they cannot remove the finger fast enough when the cutting head return to cut another part close to it.

You are right that some people market the machines with a high profit and does not bother with the aftersales.
On another point just look at the ebay site and the complaints of no goods delivered after payment.
No doubt there are honest people around but a few black sheeps can screw up the system.

Since you are a reseller why don't you have a email address and maybe a wed site? This can help you boost your sales.

[kingrabbit]

I am offended. I spent almost $2400 and got a garbage with very bad service. I am very very angry. Why you let me ask your UK dealer about CE, how can he be clearer than your company? Who can fix my laser engraver.
Your CE was issued in August, but you posted a thread in November, you said you published a new Model LG500. You beat yourself, how can you get the CE before you manufacure the machine? I find LG500 machine in you website, it is diffrent to that you posted in CNCZONE. I don't know which "LG500" is CE approved. DO NOT cheat us.

[wklaser]

Hi Kingrabbit,
I can understand your feeling, but why you did not ask the seller to solve your problem. Regarding the CE about new LG500, don't worry, I just post it here when it got CE market. We did not publish it till it is CE marked.
I am confused, why you said I beat myself? I just found this website on October, how can I post this article here before October?

[ServoGuy]

I am offended. I spent almost $2400 and got a garbage with very bad service. I am very very angry. Why you let me ask your UK dealer about CE, how can he be clearer than your company? Who can fix my laser engraver.
Your CE was issued in August, but you posted a thread in November, you said you published a new Model LG500. You beat yourself, how can you get the CE before you manufacure the machine? I find LG500 machine in you website, it is diffrent to that you posted in CNCZONE. I don't know which "LG500" is CE approved. DO NOT cheat us.

KingRabbit,
Please tell us a little about yourself.
Where do you live?
What do you do for a living?
What kinds of things are you planning on doing with your laser?
Do you like the Bronco’s?

[tinylaser]

Thanks for your high praise.

In fact, i really don't want to sell laser engraver to oversea market, I only sell laser engraver, cnc routers, ink printer in China local market, i enjoy my business.
One of the dangerous laser power supply photo is attached. you can check it, it is very simple and low cost. because it is not safe, so i think the quality is not good.
The China market is the biggest in the world, some people want to buy cheaper machine to start his business, so some factory make a simple machine and sell it.
I think the China government pay more attention in foods, medicine, home use electronic machine and etc, the laser engraver market is a special market, so nobody can check its quality and safe problem.

I have some client told me his figure is hurt by the laser beam, somebody is shocked by the high volt laser power supply. but they think they can response by themselves because they are not careful.
This is the top different between China client and Europe client.
I can not post my e-mail address and website here, I'm afraid some china supplier can blame me.

I only want to give you some advice instead of selling machine here, also i want to inform some China supplier don't cheat your client.

:withstupi

[coleong]

To Kingrabbit,

The posted picture is bad.

It seems the laser beam is not "off" when the next character is being engraved.

Have you check the software that make the engraving?

By the way what model are you using?

[wklaser]

To Tinylaser,
Don't act as a Christ here, not all of the Chinese factory just make their products with low price and simple design(bad quality), you said you don't resell the lasers to the international market, just at home, how do you know a little about the international market? If you are a Chinese, I really look down on you. Actually speaking, Chinese end users pay more attention on the price than the quality, because once the machine they bought got wrong, they can find the manufacture easily, and they can recognize eaisly which one is the real vendors, they will not buy products from the trading company. but the international buyer have a little difficult to find the real vendors, just can contact the reseller. So, the international buyer pay more attention on the quality, and the second is the price. No foreigner is a fool, low price with a bad quality can not be of interest to them. And also, the international buyer can not recognize easily which one is the manufacturer from the trading company, this is also one of the reason why they have prejudice on the goods made in China and the after service.

To be honest, now the Chinese products' reputation is not good, most are caused by your Chinese reseller, the so called trading company, not the manufacturer. Now there is a large amount of trading company in China, they just find some small factories and buy bad quality products with lower price from them, and resell them to the international buyer to earn a little poor money. All their purpose is to try to find the quality with low price, don't care the quality. All of their work is just reselling them to get the poor profit to support their poor life, and the so called trading company, but does not include the after service. They are not familiar with the products, even they know nothing about the products. When the machine comes with problem unfortunately, they will disappear completely. Then who is the dog-ass, the sufferer?? just the manufacture and the end user. Sometimes the problem is not the quality of the products, just because the end users is not familiar with the machine, and the software, they ask for help, but the reseller are not familiar either, so they just disappeared to avoid the boring problem. This makes the enduser become much more angery. Who is the causer, then?? I think you shoud ask yourself.

But, how funny, somebody stand here without a little shame, and act as a god to speak some saying seems to be reasonable. You shoud ask youself, who is the causer?? not the manufacturer, not the end users, just thanks to your Chinese reseller


(nuts) (nuts) (nuts) (wrong) (wrong)

[coleong]

To Tinylaser,

Could you repost the picture? It is not attached.

As for the laser beam hurts somebody, this is possible.
I believe training is important and the safety glasses is used when doing beam alignment - i think some CNCZONE members are also not using it.
These safety glass are expensive and protect the operator eyes from scattered laser beam during beam alignment.

For european/US made machines there is safety covers and labels attached on covers. This are then protect by safety switch, which then will stop the laser when the cover is opened.

There is a posting somewhere in CNCZONE you can see the laser tube is exposed when the cover is opened for alignment. This should be covered and to prevent the hand from touching it by accident.

I still remember sometime ago there is a news report about fake milkpowder and bad beauty product in china. Thankfully these are now settled.

I guess the operator should be warn of the dangers before operating any machines to prevent any unforseen accidents from happening.

By the way i do not have one pair of this safety glass, i will make it a priorty
to buy.

[tinylaser]

The photo is attached. please check it.
The high power unit is dangerous because of no cover.
As i said in last thread, some China supplier will blame me, i say it
will happen, and sure enough it do.

:withstupi

[hkxy]

My commentary:
I am one provide the custom make to serve OEM,I do not have the factory,I in mine basement and garage,Makes my machine and the model airplane,Therefore I want said my commentary.


tinylaser
You are correct,
but looks like us to buy American and Europe's automobile is same, there $3000 automobiles sell $20000 in China,Why,Economic law.
But US and European,Does not understand China's laser machine,Noted the price to be cheap merely,But has not taken the question which serves.
Regardless of is the manufacturer,Dealer,So long as provides the good quality and the service,We approve him are outstanding,But disorderly,Perhaps you consult the Chinese friends,Even comes China is a good choice,Adds on the plane ticket,Also is cheaper than in US.

Key1: If the company sell more than 3 kinds machine, it is a reseller.
I have 5 kind of machines,But I make the model machine in the garage, LASERCUT,CNCCUT,5AXISCUT,FOAMCUT,FRPCUT.But I am not the seller,
Key2: If you call ................eller.
OK!
Key3: If you as...........cument.
In certain meanings,Is such,But also somewhat faces China's factory,Has the good product,But does not have CE,How judges,Therefore I agree with tinylaser the opinion,You choose have CE!Insurance!
But US and European,Buys China's machine settles on his performance-to-price ratio,On the contrary to CE,Has forgotten to the service,Waits for him to understand,Or machine damage,Has regretted,
Key4: If a company has many distributors in the world, it is a good manufacturers.
OK!That definitely was the big company,But the price is not possibly cheap.
Key5: HONGKONG, GUANGZHOU, SHANG....
OK!
Key6:They are man...........problem.
The American understands a truth,Is not impossible to buy the high product and the service with the low price,They need to distinguish,Perhaps that 500 (in US is 1000,) Machine,For seal,But even if is in China,That also is the headachy machine.Has not served.Without warranty
This kind has the service and the declaration form machine possibly is 1600 to 2000.
Consults your question,My CE TUV application,But TUV tells me,My machine model is not fixed,He is the custom make,He did not know how writes the certificate,How manages?I and they consult,


I have the question to have to consult you,I make CE in TUV,But I provide the custom make the machine service,How manages?


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coleong
Hi Tinylaser,
I pres..........ONE.
This will help other people to judge what is bad or is good.
I believed,,Needs you to have the specialty hungry knowledge,How do not believe others to say,Own judgment are important.
If you understand the laser,Then simple
if you do not understand the laser,Then prudent,Or consultation specialist,Is a good choice,
If an enticement in at present,That often is a tragedy start.


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kingrabbit :

Sympathizes with you!

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WKLASER:
Your machine is the price cheap.
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coleong
Talking abou................................it.
The machine must have the photoelectricity safety switch,That is important,

[wklaser]

To tinylaser,
Since China products are so bad, I don't understand why you still stay in China and resell Chinese products. You can choose to go out of our country and just resell the goods that you feel good.
You said some china supplier will blame you, I wanna tell you, you deserve it.

[hkxy]

coleong :
Security measure:
1,Photoelectricity safety switch
2,Stops switch 3
urgently,The outer covering opens switch
4,Safe CO2 eyeglasses
5,Foot switch
6,Vacuum
7,The thioindigo red instructs
8.Electric appliance CE
9,Power source security,Earth
10,Process indicating lamp
11,Automatic replacement material system
12,The special laser protects
13,Seal laser path
14,The good laser cools
15,Good wind flowing.
16,Frequent maintenance clean.