[gfacer2]

I should note - that spindle is huge looking compared to my current 5hp shortnose. I don't look forward to removing it if needed.

Oh and in other news, I sold my current CNC (with flexible dates no less)! Only downside is that he's a current customer (smaller) and so I will loose a little business (or more if he lands more of the local sign market). The other downside is that he is close enough to ask for help anytime it goes down. I told him my training consists of a Poli-sci degree.

Oh and a should not (for the searchers on the forum) that he tried to buy a used precix but they have totally stiffed him (took deposit, no machine no responses - and we're local!). I've heard that from more than one source (he confirmed it though).

[gfacer2]

So a partial update. HSD say the spindle is there product but want the serial number to confirm any specs. I am currently trying to get that information though it is taking longer than I had hoped.

Still no wiring in that I know about (is no one in the area building UL spec'd machines? I find that hard to believe). Might be clear I am getting a tad frustrated even though I know this was to be expected. Its my job at this point to be anxious - laissez faire is not the approach to buying machines from Asia.

So 1 month in so far which is the delivery time on the PI but I knew that was not ever ever happening and I hope everyone else does too. But I did think the wiring would be in...

Edit: Ok I have the serial number. Jack has basically said technician the technician said it was the same - the other one would take months to get. I've gotten the serial number confirmed and sent that to HSD to confirm the specs. It is certainly in the right family, with the right power curve etc but the unknown is the bearings.

[gfacer2]

So djcregan - Have you received the machine in house yet? First impressions?

Oops I see you have not that I looked at the Syntec thread. So I guess it is hooked up and moving but the tool change is off. Anyhow, any other first impressions of the machine would be great.

[djcregan]

Hi. The machine is great. Very well made and engineered. I don't regret my purchase. My machine has the linear 8 tool ATC.
However I am far from happy overall but i guess you have to accept that this isn't a turn key
the atc problem.
Perhaps and hopefully Im a week from now all will be well.
One of the small things that has really annoyed me in the last two days is the issues regarding the auto lubrication machine.
There are no english instructions and try as I have No matter how many times I ask for information and instructions in English none are forthcoming. I have oil pissing onto the floor. I have asked for a schematic diagram so that I know which valve on the manifold to adjust each slide. They say they don't have one " pathetic". How else do you know which valve controls each lubrication point unless you literally uncouple each hose, let more oil out and then turn each adjuster on the manifold, one by one. Hard work compared with supplying a simple diagram. I really cannot believe I'm the first to ask for this. Am I being unreasonable, please tell me?

Them there was the oil type, I asked what oil to put in the applicator as there was a small amount in.
I was told ""#29, #30 or #!31. This doesn't mean anything to me on the Uk, does anyone know what these references mean.
After two days of further questions and basically being ignored, I have took a guesstimate on 10w/40 engine oil as this equate similar to 40 cst.

I've now been passed over to Omni tech Support by Zach. However, Albert Lieu wasn't in work today, another day lost.

Let's see what tomorrow brings, erm! Correction - later today.

Here are some videos of the ATC problem.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_...jVFTXVtZ0VyUEE

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[gfacer2]

Hi. The machine is great. Very well made and engineered. I don't regret my purchase. My machine has the linear 8 tool ATC.
However I am far from happy overall but i guess you have to accept that this isn't a turn key
the atc problem.
Perhaps and hopefully Im a week from now all will be well.
One of the small things that has really annoyed me in the last two days is the issues regarding the auto lubrication machine.
There are no english instructions and try as I have No matter how many times I ask for information and instructions in English none are forthcoming. I have oil pissing onto the floor. I have asked for a schematic diagram so that I know which valve on the manifold to adjust each slide. They say they don't have one " pathetic". How else do you know which valve controls each lubrication point unless you literally uncouple each hose, let more oil out and then turn each adjuster on the manifold, one by one. Hard work compared with supplying a simple diagram. I really cannot believe I'm the first to ask for this. Am I being unreasonable, please tell me?

Them there was the oil type, I asked what oil to put in the applicator as there was a small amount in.
I was told ""#29, #30 or #!31. This doesn't mean anything to me on the Uk, does anyone know what these references mean.
After two days of further questions and basically being ignored, I have took a guesstimate on 10w/40 engine oil as this equate similar to 40 cst.

I've now been passed over to Omni tech Support by Zach. However, Albert Lieu wasn't in work today, another day lost.

Let's see what tomorrow brings, erm! Correction - later today.

Here are some videos of the ATC problem.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_...jVFTXVtZ0VyUEE

Signing off @ 1.26 am.


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I think I read gear oil works better as its thicker and drips less.

I think the atc will be OK. Might be a subroutine too not a parameter exactly. Just a thought.

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[gfacer2]

The slow release might be air pressure related. My current spindle can do that if the compressor is off but the tank is still pressurized. Eventually it loses enough pressure and doesn't release at all.

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[gfacer2]

Oh and to answer the question, is it unreasonable to expect a manual? Yes and no. Yes, because it's the lack of these things that help make it cheap. And with research, you know documentation never comes up in a positive sense (usually it is only discussed for its absence).

I only say this to reiterate my first post for people lurking and thinking of Chinese machines.

Expect the machine, working somewhat, mechanically OK. Everything else is a bonus.

The no part of the answer is of course it would be nice (if it was right).



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[djcregan]

Here are the air pressure readings

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[djcregan]

A quick question. Is it normal for air to leak from the spindle around the tool holder. There is always some air escaping. Not significant but a constant small hiss ?



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[gfacer2]

Well I'm in psi. But might have details on the spindle. Check the hoses too or just listen for a hiss during the clamp (as opposed to the release of air after) the might indicate a leak at a fitting.

I'd start by just dialing it up a bit after looking for the specs the spindle wants.

And yes there is also constant air around the tool holder to keep dust out of the interior and clean the taper as it loads (I believe).

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[djcregan]

It equates to 85psi at the machine. At the compressor its 125 psi. I've actually turned it up to what it was set at.


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[gfacer2]

OK so on the pic they sent me of my HSD spindle it wants 6-7 bar of air pressure of about 90-100psi approx. So 125 might be too much.

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[djcregan]

Subroutine. Your right it could be just a case of changing a value. Relative to the X axis. Any ideas ?


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[gfacer2]

Subroutine. Your right it could be just a case of changing a value. Relative to the X axis. Any ideas ?


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Sorry, I'll need to get mine first

Does it not list the code on the control as it is running it. Might see it there.

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[djcregan]

Yes. I will look this morning when I get there. Forgot how you see the code but will work it out.


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[gfacer2]

Ok so back to log. I was able to have HSD confirm the spindle is both an actual model and that it has ceramic ceramic bearings. Not at all sure why they would have multiple model numbers for what seem to essentially be the same spindle but whatever just happy to report that the spindle now move to the approved list.

[gfacer2]

OK so after a few days without contact, I now have some pictures of the wiring but just the paper label on the rolls. I've asked for pics of the labeling on the actual wire itself. Hopefully we can get this build moving now (curious to see where they have gotten to already too.

Anyhow, been cleaning the shop and trying to decide where to shoehorn this thing in,

[gfacer2]

So still waiting on more details on the wire. It's definitely not to spec as per the PO and I am more than a little annoyed about it. I gather it is UL listed as the UL file number on the label of the roll matches the UL listing. Jack has said that nothing is written on the wires but on at least one roll there clearly is writing on the wire.

The build in progress shows wiring (loose - not yet in chain) yet nothing has been approved as per the terms we agreed on and I thought they understood.

I have currently asked for 1) close ups of the labels with UL numbers visible (so I can do more research) 2)copies of the labels shipped with the machine (though I will likely need to clarify that) 3)scanned copies of the labels in asap (in case #2 is missing when the machine arrives) and 4) a generally reminder of what was on the PO and how he's not paying attention to the 'do not install anything until approved' and that he's on the hook for any costs to redo.

[gfacer2]

At this point it is fair to say communication has hit a real snag. I still have no details on the wire, though I have been promised it twice 'today', nor any explanation on why wires are seen in the build photo that were not approved. I have instructed Jack (for what it is worth at this point) to cease any work on the machine until this is sorted out. I've also advised that the potential second order for a duplicate machine for our other shop is in jeopardy. FYI, I paid extra for the UL wire, so it should not be a case of 'you get what you pay for'.

For the UL wire I have asked for scanned copies of the wire spool labels and the actual wire spool labels sent with the machine. I've also reminded them of the need to approve the new relays and switch.

[gfacer2]

OK, now if Jack had just taken the pictures I asked to start with, we could have skipped the last 2 posts. As it turns out all the wires (that I have seen so far) do have the specs on the sheathing as specified in the PO.

So all is goodish, though the lack of communication and clear lack of comprehension on the significance or the wiring has left me a tad uneasy but on a technical level, things are back on track it seems.

So next up is to confirm shielding on wires going to the motor controls and spindle. And get a picture of the correct relay for the vacuum.

Have I mentioned this is tedious yet? Pics on next post.