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    MDF Sucks

    Is there a preferred bit to cut MDF.............I wan't to cut out numbers, shapes etc.
    Also, is there a good sealer to seal MDF prior to spray painting? It just sucks spray paint in. I'm thinking of a dip ................any ideas? thanks

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    If you're talking about the top edge being rough, you can use a downcut spiral. Unfortunately, downcut spirals tend to get dull rather quickly. MDF in general tends to dull tools quickly. For best results, always use very sharp tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monte55 View Post
    Also, is there a good sealer to seal MDF prior to spray painting? It just sucks spray paint in. I'm thinking of a dip ................any ideas? thanks
    I have used spray-bomb enamels - those left a horrid finish on MDF - and oil based brush-on enamels - OK, still sucked the paint pretty good. If I ever paint MDF again I would be inclined to try spraying with an epoxy primer initially.

    Oh, for some project I tried to seal MDF using polyurethane. That was REALLY sucked up. Sealed up really well but the finish was rough.

    Hope this helped.

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    Seal the edges and the cuts with a mixture of 4 parts water and 1 part white or yellow glue.
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    I find shellac based sanding sealer good.It may need to be thinned but one good coat,left to soak in and then when thoroughly dry,de-nibbed with 150 Fre-cut paper works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madclicker View Post
    Seal the edges and the cuts with a mixture of 4 parts water and 1 part white or yellow glue.
    I use a couple of coats, and de-nib with 240 grit paper. If you use steel wool after the second coat, you can get the edges of MDF really smooth.

    I use a spirit based primer.. I've never had much luck with the water solvent quick-drying stuff.

    Best wishes


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    Take a few minutes and look this site over. This type finish is the best there is for mdf.

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    But I bet that would be some nasty stuff to apply in the garage.
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    Prolly! But I use a home made booth of sorts and it, or rather a product similar to it isn't too bad.

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    The best results I've had are with high solids 2-pack auto primer. Unfortunately, it uses an isocyanate based hardener, which is very nasty stuff.

    I'm still hunting for a product that will really coat edges of MDF (so that they can be finished glass smooth) that isn't going to kill me...

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    Try finish sanding the edges, then brush on epoxy, and use an automotive spot putty to fill in any voids.
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    That might do it. Whilst I prefer spraying from the speed point of view, it's not real healthy without the right gear.

    I know someone who's using epoxy paints, so I might be able to get a 'sample' for testing.

    Do epoxy paints give off any dangerous fumes when painting with a brush?

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    Not paint, just regular epoxy, preferably a thin type. Use it as a sealer, then prime and paint.
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    Ah OK.

    The only epoxy I usually see is in very small tubes in hardware stores (and is very expensive). I am aware you can get larger cans/drums of it, but it's not something I've ever noticed for sale. I'll have a hunt around.

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    No easy way to get a mirror finish to mdf. Hard work will prevail, lots of
    sanding and filling. I use a waterbased filler, similar stuff to what you might
    use when grain filling for polish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sploo View Post
    Ah OK.

    The only epoxy I usually see is in very small tubes in hardware stores (and is very expensive). I am aware you can get larger cans/drums of it, but it's not something I've ever noticed for sale. I'll have a hunt around.

    Check out Westsystem.com and locate the nearest distributor. Its about as cheap an epoxy as you can buy in reasonable quantities. Works great too!

    They also have a fairly informative website..

    HTH

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    Many thanks Jerry, I'm following that up right now!

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    Ive found the best way to get a really smooth finish on the edges of mdf is to sand it really smooth to begin with and then seal it with a water/woodglue mix as ger suggested. then a denib sanding will leave a smooth edge. paint with a sandable primer, and you can wetsand the edges super smooth.

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    I have tried water/glue, but found the sides of the MDF showed through after painting (it takes a few weeks).

    Also, anything water based does tend to make the MDF move a little.

    Once I can get hold of some epoxy, I intend to try various combinations of it, 2 pack primer, and an MDF primer I've picked up. It could be a while, but I do plan to post the results when I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sploo View Post
    I have tried water/glue, but found the sides of the MDF showed through after painting (it takes a few weeks).

    Also, anything water based does tend to make the MDF move a little.

    Once I can get hold of some epoxy, I intend to try various combinations of it, 2 pack primer, and an MDF primer I've picked up. It could be a while, but I do plan to post the results when I'm done.
    Dear sploo,

    I'm sorry you had no luck with water/glue.

    Here is a link which gives a lot of information from lots of people about how to prime MDF. As you will see, opinions vary!

    http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...nel_Doors.html

    One more thing. I personally have never had any luck at all using water based primer on mdf.

    Best wishes

    Martin

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