Re: Finding REAL tradesmen and talant
Originally Posted by
handlewanker
LOL......the point is also that anyone who aspires to be a top dog with degrees in engineering, just ain't cut out to be a sweaty shop floor machine minder........that person wants to sit in an office and make phone calls to important people who will further his/her career.....that will never happen at shop floor level......getting to be the foreman is about as high as you can go.
If you want to get skilled people you have to find someone who WANTs to work with machinery as if their life depended on it.
I guess the aspect of a 5 year training program and then to lose that person to another shop when they graduate to get further experience is something you forgot has to happen.....but that was the old way.....now you want an instant 20 year old with 40 years experience working for a start out wage.
BTW.....since when do you need a time wasting university degree just to work good at a machine?
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Ian.
In my opinion the guys who have learned the trade from the bottom up ( from deburring to machinist ) , they are there because they chose to be . The highly educated are usually failed engineers who are machining because it is the closest gig related to their trained field , meaning that most of them would rather be doing something else . It isn't always the case but I've worked with enough pretentious pricks who thought they were above the rest of us dogs
Originally Posted by
Place2809
Hi All,
Any ideas? I want to employ a good hiring process but don't want to make it so involved that it takes away from attracting people when they really can go anywhere.
If your looking for people who can take an idea or drawing and make it a reality , then , hand them parts during the interview and ask them how they would make the part , how many ops , what tools and why . An experienced machinist should snap to it pretty quickly without too much thought . Interview nervousness may affect the answer some but they should get straight to the point You may even find guys who will have an approach that you haven't even thought of .
Also , don't overlook the young keener , they may not have the full experience now but some guys pick up on things fast , and with a guy like this you'll have a big ball of clay that you can form to fit your shop . It's an investment into the future . Some experienced guys can be stuck in their ways and are a bit more difficult to make that right fit
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