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  1. #201
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by davida1234 View Post
    Wmgeorge, I bought the spindle/vfd quite some time ago
    from solar.jean. Didn't know that AT was an advertiser here.
    Yes he is or was anyway. I purchased my air cooled spindle from him, and I wish I would have purchased my VFD from them also. My personal opinion is the Hitachi drive I purchased was over priced and had features I did not need. I have been a customer of AT for years.
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    With the drag chain shelves in place,
    I can now move on to actual wiring.

    WIRING:

    All wiring is color coded. Signal
    level cables for the servos carry
    also a plug for the servo fans:
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Bring up all the wires and tubing through
    the lower drag chain up to gantry height:
    Attachment 414700

    Place all wires and tubing going to the
    X-carriage onto the upper drag chain.
    Pull the wires going to A-servo through
    the 80/20 to the other side:
    Attachment 414702

    Place the red spacer on the gantry end.
    Arrange Y-side wires for proper length
    and tuck in the rest into the 80/20:
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  4. #204
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by davida1234 View Post
    I found this online. Does that look about right?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Attachment 414666
    No that is incorrect

    For 240v use R and T your ( 2 ) Hot wires for this VFD Drive and Ground to the Ground Terminal, if you give me the drive and spindle spec's I will post you the correct VFD Parameter settings

    I see you had a white wire in the mix that is why I asked if you had 120v or 240v you must cover the white wire either Black or Red does not have to have total cover
    Mactec54

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by wmgeorge View Post
    If you purchase from a US vender like Automation Technology you have support. He can give you the setup parameters for your spindle which they also sell. They are a CNC Zone advertiser. . He also posts the setup and PDF files you need on his website. Most reputable venders will give you that information so you do not need to search or rely on information you find online.
    They don't have all the correct setup Parameters
    Mactec54

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    I see you had a white wire in the mix that is why I asked if you had 120v or 240v you must cover the white wire either Black or Red does not have to have total cover
    Very observant mactec54. Amazing how
    different trades zoom in into their particular
    areas of knowledge. I am thankful, will do.

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    This is the eBay listing:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/220V-WATER-...item2a223634e2

    I just have a generic HY manual. Where do I find the specs?

    And this is the sheet that came with the spindle:
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  8. #208
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    They don't have all the correct setup Parameters
    You need to call or email them they are wrong, because they have been selling VFD's and spindles for years. Plus many other products. Many people who do CNC professionally rely on Automation Technology or good quality items


    .https://www.automationtechnologiesin...cts-page/vfds/


    You will find your setup Info on this page , if its the same model... please check otherwise go back to the other link> https://www.automationtechnologiesin...vfds/kl-vfd22/
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    No that is incorrect

    For 240v use R and T your ( 2 ) Hot wires for this VFD Drive and Ground to the Ground Terminal, if you give me the drive and spindle spec's I will post you the correct VFD Parameter settings

    I see you had a white wire in the mix that is why I asked if you had 120v or 240v you must cover the white wire either Black or Red does not have to have total cover
    The red text in the picture says connect both hot wires to R&T which is correct. The Earth or Equipment ground goes to the Ground terminal. White wire must be covered or colored with any color other than Green or White. Red or black are usually used.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails VFD copy.png  
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by davida1234 View Post
    This is the eBay listing:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/220V-WATER-...item2a223634e2

    I just have a generic HY manual. Where do I find the specs?

    And this is the sheet that came with the spindle:
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    Can you take the front cover off that covers the terminals and take a photo I may be able to see what you have, there are many different copies of the HY, there should also be a sticker on the VFD also that will give you the Amps Voltage Etc

    The spindle part is ok just the drive spec's
    Mactec54

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by wmgeorge View Post
    The red text in the picture says connect both hot wires to R&T which is correct. The Earth or Equipment ground goes to the Ground terminal. White wire must be covered or colored with any color other than Green or White. Red or black are usually used.
    There wording and diagram do not match and the output wiring information is also incorrect
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails HY Input Power Terminals.PNG  
    Mactec54

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    The place I am in is a 50-60 year old, not very well maintained industrial building.

    I do have one 240V circuit and the breaker on it says 20A.
    The existing 240V wall plug has only 2 wires. Both black. No green at all.

    The existing plug is at the wrong place and I need an extension cord for connection.
    I did use a 12/3ga cable I had at hand with black/white/green wires.
    I connected a green wire to the metal box of the existing wall outlet
    (All metal conduits but very old and beaten up).

    This is how I wired up the plug.
    The L-shaped terminal is the green cable.
    The other are from the two black wires on the wall:
    Attachment 414718

    The voltage between the two circular poles measures 226V:
    Attachment 414720

    The voltage between the green and one terminal measures 137V:
    Attachment 414722

    The other one to green measures 118V:
    Attachment 414724

    I have no idea why the two are different.
    The laptop and the PS power up just fine.

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    There wording and diagram do not match and the output wiring information is also incorrect
    What part of this is incorrect??? I am sorry it is spot on.
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by davida1234 View Post
    The place I am in is a 50-60 year old, not very well maintained industrial building.

    I do have one 240V circuit and the breaker on it says 20A.
    The existing 240V wall plug has only 2 wires. Both black. No green at all.

    The existing plug is at the wrong place and I need an extension cord for connection.
    I did use a 12/3ga cable I had at hand with black/white/green wires.
    I connected a green wire to the metal box of the existing wall outlet
    (All metal conduits but very old and beaten up).

    This is how I wired up the plug.
    The L-shaped terminal is the green cable.
    The other are from the two black wires on the wall:
    Attachment 414718

    The voltage between the two circular poles measures 226V:
    Attachment 414720

    The voltage between the green and one terminal measures 137V:
    Attachment 414722

    The other one to green measures 118V:
    Attachment 414724

    I have no idea why the two are different.
    The laptop and the PS power up just fine.
    David that is very common in a older building, as long as you have the 240 volts line to line and the green wire is actually connected to a ground your fine. its not right but thats what you have to work with.

    What Mac is doing is making sure you do not have a Chinese "knock off" of the very well known and popular drive the HY. If its a knock off then it may not be the same.

    BTW I used to carry a bottle of red finger nail polish in my service truck to color those white wires!!
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by davida1234 View Post
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    By the Photo it looks like you have an early model HY
    Mactec54

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    They don't have all the correct setup Parameters
    Why don't you post that over here on there CNC Zone Forum? https://www.cnczone.com/forums/autom...logy-products/
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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Thanks wmgeorge. I will just use a heat shrink over the white wire or some markers.

    The website I bought the VFD and spindle from has a pretty good rating on eBay.
    Let's hope it is not a knock off.

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    By the Photo it looks like you have an early model HY

    Correction: I bought it like 1 1/2 years ago.

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    Re: David A's New 2x3 Bench Top CNC

    Slip on the cover over the red spacer
    once you have all the wires arranged
    for length and tidied up:
    Attachment 414734

    Install the cover:
    Attachment 414736

    Attachment 414738

    Attachment 414740

    And finally, tap the hole plug in place:
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