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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggyboy View Post
    YAHOO I got it working!!!!! No more crashes!
    I figured out what you meant about re-zeroing the work co-ordinance after a run and yes I was having the same problem. But now it is solved along with my original problem. This controller does NOT like going from work
    co-ordinance
    to Machine
    co-ordinance and back again!!! To solve the problem I add G90 after every G53 (G28) and to solve your problem at the end of acycle, you need to add one at the end of the code after the final G53.
    Here is the test code that came from fusion i'll highlight the lines that I hand edited.

    (1001)
    (T17 D=19. CR=0. - ZMIN=-15. - FLAT END MILL)
    G90 G94 G91.1 G40 G49 G17
    G21
    (WHEN USING FUSION 360 FOR PERSONAL USE, THE FEEDRATE OF )
    (RAPID MOVES IS REDUCED TO MATCH THE FEEDRATE OF CUTTING )
    (MOVES, WHICH CAN INCREASE MACHINING TIME. UNRESTRICTED )
    (RAPID MOVES ARE AVAILABLE WITH A FUSION 360 SUBSCRIPTION. )
    G90 --------------
    G53 G0 Z0.
    G90 -------------
    (TRACE1)
    M5
    T17 M6
    S16000 M3
    G54
    G0 X10.447 Y12.749
    G1 Z5. F2000.
    Z-15. F1000.
    Y87.749 F2000.
    X85.447
    Y12.749
    X10.447
    Z5. F1000.
    Z15. F2000.
    G53 G0 Z0.
    G53 G0 X0. Y0.
    G90 ----------
    M30

    I hand removed the G43 line too

    Glen
    Hi Glen,
    cool that you figured it out !!!! You might want to report that back to the developer ... I can confirm on the weekend with my linuxcnc machine that this is not normal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry104 View Post
    Hi Glen,
    cool that you figured it out !!!! You might want to report that back to the developer ... I can confirm on the weekend with my linuxcnc machine that this is not normal behavior.
    Now All I have to do is figure out how to change the fusion post-processor file to generate the working Gcode to include the G90 after any G53 (G28) moves.

    When you say developer, do you mean the manufacturer of the controller?

    Glen

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Well it's been quite the learning curve! But final after staring at the postprocessor file that I opened in Visual studio code for several hours, I was able to figure out how to get the postprocessor in Fusion 360 changed to have it automatically add a line after every G53 with a G90.
    I used the stock Mach3mill postprocessor file and modified it and renamed it. Now I can get back to making parts again.

    Glen

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Just stumbled or should I say crashed into another fusion 360 made code that this controller doesn't like to work nice with. It's G17
    for some reason fusion while post processing added a G17 after doing a ramping tool path at the end. then when the program went to go do a slotting run, for what ever reason the controller was now in incremental ( relative mode) instead of Absolute mode. so the fix will be to rework the fusion Mach postprocessor to either not put the G17 in or at the least to have it put a G90 in directly after a G17.

    The G17 is used to tell the machine that you are working in the X,Y axis, which is as far as I can see an unnecessary bit of code for a homemade 3 axis machine. I never left the X,Y axis!!


    Glen

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    I have about 3 hours of run time on the SMC and it’s working well. The key to using this controller is to learn what G code it doesn’t like and to avoid using said code LOL. Kind of sucks but it is workable and it’s quite nice to get away from a PC and Mach3.


    Glen

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    This is a very timely thread for me! Thanks. I am a new member working on converting an Emco Compact 8 to cnc. I have 35 years manual and cnc machining.
    I want to do this build for the experience.
    These Chinese controllers are interesting. Do they have a lathe package? I have no interest in Linux or anything that requires computer skills or working on extensive electronics engineering. Plug and play is best for me, Acorn from Centroid looks good but expensive.
    Following this thread.
    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbut View Post
    This is a very timely thread for me! Thanks. I am a new member working on converting an Emco Compact 8 to cnc. I have 35 years manual and cnc machining.
    I want to do this build for the experience.
    These Chinese controllers are interesting. Do they have a lathe package? I have no interest in Linux or anything that requires computer skills or working on extensive electronics engineering. Plug and play is best for me, Acorn from Centroid looks good but expensive.
    Following this thread.
    Phil

    Hi Phil thanks for joining the conversation!
    I now have about 30 plus hours on my new SMC5 controller and it is working great! I have an additional 4-6 hours using it with a 5.5 watt blue diode laser module fastened to the front of my spindle. lots of fun with the laser.

    As for the lathe package there is no separate setups that I'm aware of. There is just the one screen set as far as I know. Its not like Mach or centroid being based off of computer PC software interface. But maybe it could be used for a lathe. You would of course need the appropriate Gcode for lathe. Sorry I'm not overly familiar with CNC lathes.
    Hopefully someone experienced in CNC lathes and this until will chime in.

    Glen

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Here are some photos of some laser etching I've done so far.








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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice in this thread. Finally got the controller to do what I wanted using Fusion 360.

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbut View Post
    This is a very timely thread for me! Thanks. I am a new member working on converting an Emco Compact 8 to cnc. I have 35 years manual and cnc machining.
    I want to do this build for the experience.
    These Chinese controllers are interesting. Do they have a lathe package? I have no interest in Linux or anything that requires computer skills or working on extensive electronics engineering. Plug and play is best for me, Acorn from Centroid looks good but expensive.
    Following this thread.
    Phil
    Hi Phil,

    You might want to consider XC609T or CW20T controller for your lathe. I have the former one (cheaper than CW20T but with Chinese front panel...), and they seem to have most functions needed for a CNC lathe, including spindle encoder and threading along either axis or both axes. The user manual for XC609T seems to be quite comprehensive, but it is available in Chinese only. The CW20T English manual is not quite as good, but still useful. I've been trying to translate key parts of the XC609T manual with Google translator, which has actually gotten quite good in translating technical Chinese to English during the last couple of years...

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon50SS View Post
    I have tried contacting them - World Press? Who did you contact? Please share the email thanks. Bill
    I suppose the bug reports of the SMC5-5-N-N controller and wishes for more functionalities (more G codes, added handwheel function for manual running of G code, some functions for the unused buttons, etc.) could be also sent to support-at-chinaplccenter-dot-com, sometimes they seem to respond to firmware update requests within a few hours. They also sent me a current firmware for my small SMC4-4-16A16B controller. But honestly I don't know if they are the actual developers of these controllers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve1050 View Post
    Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice in this thread. Finally got the controller to do what I wanted using Fusion 360.
    Hi Steve,
    Can you tell us what you did to get Fusion to create usable code?
    Did you alter the post process script?

    Glen

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    You might want to consider XC609T or CW20T controller for your lathe.
    Due to english manual discrepancy, so you recommend CW20T. Do you think it has capability the same as XC609T ? What post processor to use if using fusion 360 ? the same as mach3 or fanuc or ... ?

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by asuratman View Post
    Due to english manual discrepancy, so you recommend CW20T. Do you think it has capability the same as XC609T ? What post processor to use if using fusion 360 ? the same as mach3 or fanuc or ... ?
    Hi, let's continue here about the XC609T / CW20T lathe controllers: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/contr...cnc-forum.html

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    The available English user manual for the SMC5-5-N-N controller seems to be dated 2017-12-11, so it is rather old and doesn't explain very much of the 5-axis RTCP functionality.

    I've found a bit more recent manual dated 2019-5-23 from the Chinese shop.cdle.net site and it seems to explain the 5-axis milling functionality a bit better. Unfortunately, it is in Chinese, so it requires some extra work to get translated into English. For those interested, I've uploaded this manual here. Please share your findings.


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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    G54,G55,G56,G57,G58,G59 are work coordinates, lets say you mill a dice on rotary axis trunnion table, you can make 5 of the 6 faces a work coordinate. In the industry its known as a 'wpc' work piece coordinate. G53 would cancel any of those wpc, infact i recall you should cancel before calling another wpc. G17, G18 and G19 should be placed before the wpc code if desired, this enables tapping, drilling, boring, etc to be used in a different plane. A good example is a huron milling head, if you rotate 90 degrees in any direction you can then used 'canned cycles' such as drilling in your new plane. Always remember to apply a cancelling code after enabling otherwise the machines 'ready state' will have a different plane or wpc active, a crash will occur when restarted.
    Wisdom results from foolishness!

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Hi Glen

    Yes I had to put a G90 after very G17 command. I also had to disable the Z soft limit. When I get more time I will try and experiment with it.

    Fusion put a G90 in after every G28. Apart from that it has been accurate and easy to use though I have worked out the draw g code yet.

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    Re: SMC5-5-N-N Chinese controller - anyone have experience with it?

    Today I decided to have a look if there were any recent updates for the SMC4 or SMC5 controller support files at shop.cdle.net site and yes. In the (very slowly downloadable) SMC.RAR or SMC.ZIP file I found a bit newer manual in Chinese, v.3.8.8 dated 2020-2-12. My previous post included a link to an older manual, v.3.6.9 but you can ignore it as outdated.

    This one has a bit more details explained, although not yet quite all. I've uploaded this manual v.3.8.8 here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corhoin View Post
    This one has a bit more details explained, although not yet quite all.
    I just uploaded a "cleaner" version of this manual without the annoying watermark, link here.


    //Corhoin

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