[Zumba]

What's your opinion on Global Warming?

[fizzissist]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

We're guessing you're new to this discussion??

...btw, it snowed last night where I live.

[sdantonio]

Hate the snow and the cold. If the ocean levels rise enough I could have tropical beach front property.


Bring it on

[Wade]

I don't know, what is the "right" temperature? What if this is just global recovery? Could you tell the difference?

I think man effects the environment, but not as much as the sun.

I believe the only way to "fix" man made global warming, is by reducing the world's population dramatically. Everything we do contributes to man-made global warming, building houses, laying roads, turning topsoil, and spreading fertilizer. And, anyone that tells you he knows the answer is a liar and wants something from you.

The whole Carbon-Dioxide thing is a joke, and the sheep are falling for it.

Concentrate on cleaning the things that make the Indian cry, and you'll be doing the right thing. Clean rivers, skies, and pick up the Wal-Mart plastic bags. Make devices energy efficient. Develop other forms of energy, and stop buying from the Middle East. Why make people feel guilty about living?

[sdantonio]

Wade,

Historically if you look at things, a large number of people screaming about global warming are the same people who were screaming about global cooling in the late 60's and who were predicting we were sliding into a mini ice age. 60's... 40 years ago... 40 year geological cycle... now their screaming about warming... can't be a real connection, has to be a coincidence.

I'm not sure there is a "right temperature" or that anyone can actually tell you what it is. I do think it is fair to say that we are pumping a lot of crap into the air, we whould breath better is we had less crap in the air, so lets pump less crap into the air. Other than that, there is mo reputable scientist who can definitively say the earth is warmer and 81.5% is due to polution and the remainder is the geological cycle. We just don't know how to seperate out the data yet. The only thing that can be said is that the mean temperature of the earth is risen by 0.5 degrees in the last century.

You want to wait for real havoc to start. Remember about 8 years ago the increase is sunspot activity and solar flairs. Canade and part of it's power grid knocked out due to a solar flair. A large portion of the world had the cell phone networks knocked out due to a solar flair. Well, their on the rise again, predicted to peak in 2012 and they are predicted to have a even more active time than we did 8 years ago. When you think of how many more things in the world are dependent on delicate electronic networks now when compared to 8 years ago. I think we should start now shielding CNCZone in a lead vault with huge battery backups, maybe in the bottom of a abandoned salt mine in Nevada. Of course the extremists will find some way to link this to human activity too.

[sdjdave]

I went through Los Angeles in 1974 and rode in a cab with the windows open. The air was so filthy you couldn't see more than a couple hundred yards in either direction. By the time I reached LAX my eyes were burning and the white shirt I was wearing had a yellowish brown stain around the back where I had sweated and the air had contacted it. I went back in 2004 and you could see for miles and after driving around with the windows in the car open for four days my eyes were just fine. The air is cleaner now than it's ever been, yet we keep hearing that the world is a rotting **** heap and it's all our fault in the industrialized world. I have news for all of you - Industrialized nations can afford the technology that makes things clean! Go to Africa and look at how clean things are there. Who is building Coal powered electric plants with no scrubbers on them at a rate of a score or two a year? Try China, the bright light of Communism. Who else is industrialising as fast as they can? Do I hear India? Between China and India there's a total of 4-5 Billion people who are suddenly trying to hurl themselves into the 21st century with less than 21st century technology. If there are any air problems I would think they would be the first people we would point the finger of blame at, since there isn't any country that has a dome over it to ensure it pollutes only its' own air.

To get down to the bare basics of the whole global warming/America is the earth's despoiler rant, there are people who hate America. They hate our Ingenuity, our Productivity, our Prosperity, but most of all, our Freedom. Unfortunately, too many of those people live in America. There are a lot of people all over the world that want to see America destroyed for whatever reason their tiny little minds can latch on to. Eventually, it will happen, but I don't think the world will be a better place because of it. Once America is destroyed, who will be next? Europe? Half of the countries there are well on the way to being nonentities right now. Canada? Australia? Who is going to take the place of the prosperous Democracies who generate most of the wealth and take care of the rest of the world? Does anybody think that Somalis and Cubans will show up with food, medical teams and building supplies the next time a tsunami hits Indonesia or an earthquake clobbers Turkey?

What makes me grind my teeth more than anything is to have to listen to the sanctimonious, know nothing prigs like Al Gore and the Hollywood Intelligentsia preach at me about my lifestyle. I work my tail off at a regular job and run a small business on the side making parts with my little CNC mill for people who can't afford big shop prices. I run the business out of my house, and I pay about $1500 a year for electricity. Al Gore lives in his palace, uses $20,000 a MONTH for electricity, but has the nerve to lecture me about my profligate lifestyle? The hell with all of them. I'm going to live my life the way I damn well please, and I'm telling my kids that they're entitled to whatever lifestyle they can earn and maintain honestly. I recommend everyone else do the same, we don't have long before 'our betters' take everything away.

[Mariss Freimanis]

Using a geological time frame, it's been a lot colder before, it's been lot warmer before. Isn't it sheer idiocy to think it's just perfect right now?

I love global warming. I just wish there was a lot more of it and that it happened a lot more rapidly. Imagine coconut palm trees on the sandy shores of an idyllic and balmy Arctic Ocean teeming with tropical fish. It's happened before, you know.

Mariss

[Pres]

.... Imagine coconut palm trees on the sandy shores of an idyllic and balmy Arctic Ocean teeming with tropical fish.... Mariss

I like your description of a "balmy" Arctic, but what is then the Sahara, Saigon & San Francisco weather like?
(+120F - or mostly just underwater?)
Pres

[Mariss Freimanis]

How about Greenland and Antarctica ice-free? How about most of Siberia and Canada becoming habitable?

What is it with this mindset that anything different, any change at all is bad and spells doom? If somehow a ton of gold appeared in your bedroom you'd probably complain you can't sleep because there's no room for your bed anymore.

Mariss

[Geof]

How about Greenland and Antarctica ice-free? How about most of Siberia and Canada becoming habitable?

What is it with this mindset that anything different, any change at all is bad and spells doom? If somehow a ton of gold appeared in your bedroom you'd probably complain you can't sleep because there's no room for your bed anymore.

Mariss

If Greenland and Antartica became icefree all the World's coastal cities would be under one or two hundred feet of seawater. I would say that should qualify as a change that is bad and spells doom for those cities.

My shop would also be under the same depth of water and I can assure you I would consider that bad and it would spell doom to my business.

[mike hide]

If Greenland and Antartica became icefree all the World's coastal cities would be under one or two hundred feet of seawater. I would say that should qualify as a change that is bad and spells doom for those cities.

My shop would also be under the same depth of water and I can assure you I would consider that bad and it would spell doom to my business.

when the vikings discovered Greenland it was green thats why they called it Greenland and as far as i know there was no significant rise in the sea level.

[Geof]

when the vikings discovered Greenland it was green thats why they called it Greenland and as far as i know there was no significant rise in the sea level.

The Greenland Icecap has been intact for hundreds of thousands of years, it was there when the Vikings were there.

According to some of the books I have read about the Viking colonies in Iceland and Greenland the name was something of a marketing ploy, it certainly did not mean the whole island was green. At the time of these settlements the world was just coming out of the Medieval Warm Period and coastal valleys in some places did have a mild enough climate that cattle farming was possible; archeological remains have been found. The Greenland colonies died out a few hundred years later during the Little Ice Age.

[mjb]

If Greenland and Antartica became icefree all the World's coastal cities would be under one or two hundred feet of seawater. I would say that should qualify as a change that is bad and spells doom for those cities.

My shop would also be under the same depth of water and I can assure you I would consider that bad and it would spell doom to my business.

You say that like it's a bad thing. San Fransisco under two hundred feet of water... would we be worse off? And yes it would drown my shop too but sometimes you have to take one for the team.
take care
Mike

[dertsap]

How about Greenland and Antarctica ice-free? How about most of Siberia and Canada becoming habitable?


Mariss

wow!
hadn t thought about that
global warming may be a great thing for us in Canada , we can ditch the skidoo's , it will be heart breaking to shoot the dog sled teams but with not having to feed them we could afford cars and trucks ,well , once we build roads and highways . the possibilities are endless , we could live like the rest of the world does

and fly fishing on open water will be great , i can t tell you how difficult it is to flick the fly line down that lil hole in the ice

[Geof]

wow!
hadn t thought about that
global warming may be a great thing for us in Canada , we can ditch the skidoo's , it will be heart breaking to shoot the dog sled teams but with not having to feed them we could afford cars and trucks ,well , once we build roads and highways . the possibilities are endless , we could live like the rest of the world does

and fly fishing on open water will be great , i can t tell you how difficult it is to flick the fly line down that lil hole in the ice

dertsap No!!!! All our Igloos will melt, then where will we live? And the Inuktuks will also sink into the mush from the permafrost melting so we will not have landmarks to guide us when we are hunting Polar bears.

[dertsap]

Inuktuks

may want to be carefull how you use that word ,the olympic commity probably has copyright to it along with everything else that they had claimed including "2010" , i think we'll have to skip that year due to the fact any calendar makers like hallmark will face lawsuits or something stupid like that

[FBJR]

If there is, do you really think we can do much about it?

No

We can't make it rain where we want at anytime, how in the heck are we causing global warming?

Do I like clean air, yes. Do I like cleaner cars and industry, yes.

Clean happens via the market (and some laws) since people buy cleaner (IE:efficient) and industry responds with more products. Attrition does a fair job in this area too.

I see our kids being brainwashed in this area too, and MANY ADULTS!!!

[Yamada35]

The problem of global warming is one of the main problems today that needs to be solved.

[Mariss Freimanis]

So you are going to live at least 10,000 years? You must have one heck of a long-term lease seeing as how you don't ever plan to move. What are your long term plans for when the sun becomes a red giant in 4 billion years?

Mariss

[Geof]

So you are going to live at least 10,000 years? You must have one heck of a long-term lease seeing as how you don't ever plan to move. What are your long term plans for when the sun becomes a red giant in 4 billion years?

Mariss

The context and phrasing of your other posts suggested that you were imagining these events on a human time scale. You did write: How about most of Siberia and Canada becoming habitable? which strongly implies you are imagining things on a human scale.