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    Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    I have spent probably 100's of hours already searching reading and attempting to solve my problem.

    Problem Mach3 Breakout board sends 0-10V depending on selected speed 2.5v=6000, 5v=12000, 7.5v=18000, 10v=24000 So I know the settings in Mach3 and the Breakout board is functioning as required. But the speed of the spindle does not match what mach3 is commanding and is being send through the 0-10v to the VFD.\
    I have a laser Handheld tachometer with a sticker on the ER-11 Nut used to verify the speed of the spindle, and is calibrated on known speeds such as belt driven lathe, etc.

    What I have;
    Spindle: Huajiang EYS8043-24/1.50 Air Cooled 1.5KW Spindle (see data plate Pic)
    VFD: Huajiang H100-1.5T4-1A VFD (attached first -38 pages. More can be provided upon request)
    Mach3 Breakout Board - BL-USBMACH-2.22 (https://www.steppermotorcanada.ca/bl5breakoutboard.pdf)

    The function codes I have in the VFD are in the attached spreadsheet.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails BOB.JPG   BOB2.JPG   SpindlePlate.JPG   VFD Jumpers.JPG  

    VFD Wiring.JPG  

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Well as it turns out it seems that the Spreadsheet and Manual will not load.
    So here is the settings;
    Function Value Description from Manual Value Options
    1 1 Control Mode 0:valid 1:invalid
    2 1 Frequency Setting Selection 0:keyboard 1:external terminal 2:communication port
    3 120 Main Frequency 0-1000.0Hz
    4 400 Reference Frequency 0.1-1000.0 Hz
    5 400 Maximum Operating Frequency 10-1000.0 Hz
    6 2.5 Intermediate Frequency 0.1-1000.0 Hz
    7 0.5 Minimum Frequency 0.1-20.0 Hz
    8 110 Maximum voltage 0.1V~*
    9 15 intermediate voltage 0.1V~*
    10 8 Low-Frenquency torque boost voltage 0.1V~50.0V
    11 0 Lower frequency limit 0.0~1000.0 Hz
    12 0 drive control mode 0:F 1:vector control
    13 0 parameter resetting 8 restore ex factory value
    14 5 acceleration time I 0.1~650.00s
    15 7 deceleration time I 0.1~650.00s
    16 20 acceleration time II 0.1~650.00s
    17 20 deceleration time II 0.1~650.00s
    18 40 acceleration time III 0.1~650.00s
    19 40 deceleration time III 0.1~650.00s
    20 80 acceleration time IV (jogging acceleration time) 0.1~650.00s
    21 80 decceleration time IV (jogging acceleration time) 0.1~650.00s
    22 0.5 Emergency stop deceleration time 0.1-650.00s 0.00 emergency stop by costing to stop
    23 0 Reverse prohibit 0:reverse prohibit 1:reverse allow
    24 1 stop key is valid or not 0:stop invalid 1:stop valid
    25 0 start mode 0:start from starting frequency 1:frequency tracking start
    26 0 reverse prohhibit 0:reverse prohibit 1:reverse allow
    27 0.5 starting frequency 1:reverse allow
    28 0.5 stop frequency 0.1-30.0 HZ
    29 0 start braking time 0.1-30.0Hz
    30 0 stop braking time 0.0-25.0s
    31 2 dc braking level 0.0-25.0s
    32 5 frequency tracking time 0.0-20.0%
    33 150 current tracking frequency 0.1-20.0s
    34 0.5 voltage rise time during frequency tracking 0-200%
    35 5 percentage of start voltage during frequency tracking 0.1-10.0s
    36 10 voltage rise time during frequency tracking 1-20%
    39 0 starting frequency of DC Braking 0-15
    40 frequency resolution 0.0-1000.0hz
    41 carrier frequency 0-15
    42 jogging frequency 0.0-1000.0hz
    43 s curve time 0.0-6500.0s
    44 2 FOR (X1) function 0:valid 1:run 2:forward 3:reverse 4:stop 5:forward/reverse 2
    45 3 REV(X2) function 6:inching 7:inching forward 8:inching reverse 9:external control time 1 10:external control timer
    46 14 RST(X3) function 11:setting frequency is forced to f003 12:radiator or motor overheating 13: Emergency stop
    47 22 SPH(X4) function 14: reset 15-16:reserve 17:acceleration/decceleration time selection 1 18:Acceleration/deceleration time selection 2
    48 24 SPM(X5) function 19:multi-segment speed 1 20:multi-segment speed2 21:multi-segment speed 3 22: high speed 23: medium speed
    49 23 SPL(X6) function 24:low speed 25:PID allowed 26:Multi-segment speed4 27:ip 28:down 29:draft allowed 30:reserve 31: pulse counter 32ulsecounter resets
    50 2 Y1output function Outputs not used
    51 2 y2 output function Outputs not used
    52 2 output function KA&KC are terminals) Outputs not used
    53 2 Output function (FA,FB &FC terminals) Outputs not used
    54 0 AO output function Outputs not used
    55 100 AO analog output gain Outputs not used
    56 0 Hopping Frequency 1 0.0-1000.0hz
    57 0 Hopping frequency 2 0.0-1000.0hz
    58 0 Hopping frequency 3 0.0-1000.0hz
    59 0.5 range of hopping frequency 0.1-10.0hz
    60 0 frequency consistency I (Constant pressure water supply high speed frequency) 0.0-1000.0hz
    61 0 Frequency Consistency II (Constant Pressure water supply low) 0.0-1000.0hz
    62 0.2 frequency consistency range setting 0.1-10.0hz
    63 0.1 timer I 0.1-10.0s
    64 1 time II 1-100s
    65 0 count value 0-65500
    66 0 value of middle counter 0-65500
    67 digital input terminal positive & negative logic 0ositive logic, wiring mode NPN 1:negative logic, wiring mode PNP
    68 digital input terminal dithering elimination time 0-60000ms
    69 PFO maximum frequency. 1.0-10.0
    70 0 input channel selection for analog quantity 0:0-10v 1:0-5V
    71 20 filtering time of analog quantity 0-1000ms
    72 400 high-end frequency of analog frequency 0.0-1000.0hz
    73 0 low-end frequency of analog quantity 0.0-1000.0hz
    74 0 bias direction of hig-end requency 0ositive 1:negative
    75 0 bias direction of low end frequency 0ositive 1:negative
    76 0 selectable negative bias reverse of analog quantity 0:irreversible 1:reversible
    77 0 up.down memory function selection 0:not memorized 1:memoriezed
    78 1 up.down increment selection 0:0.1hz 1:1.0Hz
    79 1 up.down increment multiple 1-250
    80 selection of multi-segment speed mode 0:normal operation 1:internally controled 2:externally controlledx4 3:externally controlledx16 4: externally controlledx4 valid automatically 5:externally controlled 6:segment speed
    81 internally controlled multi-segment speed selection of operation mode 0:stop after operating for one cycle 1:circulating operation 2:stop after automatically operating for one cycle
    82 speed operation directions of first internally controlled 8 segments 0-255 (o:forward 1:reverse)
    83 speed operation directions of last internally controlled 8 segments 0-255 (o:forward 1:reverse)
    84 acceleration/deceleration time of first internally controlled 8 segments 0-65535
    85 acceleration/deceleration time of the last internally controlled 8 segments 0-65535
    86 Frequency I setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    87 Frequency II setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    88 frequency III setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    89 Frequency IV setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    90 Frequency V setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    91 Frequency VI setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    92 Frequency VII setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    93 Frequency VIII setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    94 Frequenc IX setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    95 Frequency x setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    96 frequency xi setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    97 frequency xii setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    98 frequency xiii setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    99 frequency xiv setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    100 frequency xv setting 0.0-1000.0hz
    101 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer I 0.0-6500.0s
    102 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 2 0.0-6500.0s
    103 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 3 0.0-6500.0s
    104 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 4 0.0-6500.0s
    105 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 5 0.0-6500.0s
    106 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 6 0.0-6500.0s
    107 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 7 0.0-6500.0s
    108 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 8 0.0-6500.0s
    109 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 9 0.0-6500.0s
    110 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 10 0.0-6500.0s
    111 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 11 0.0-6500.0s
    112 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 12 0.0-6500.0s
    113 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 13 0.0-6500.0s
    114 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 14 0.0-6500.0s
    115 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 15 0.0-6500.0s
    116 Internally controlled multi-segment speed timer 16 0.0-6500.0s
    117 internally controlled multi-segment speed memory function (up.down power fault reserve) 0-1
    118 1 selection of over-voltage stall 0-1
    119 150 stalling level during acceleration 0-200%
    120 0 stalling level during constant speed 0-200%
    121 5 stalling decerlation time during constant speed 0.1-25.5s
    122 110 prevent of over-voltage level 200-800v
    123 0 selection of over-torque selection mode. 0-3
    124 0 selection of over-torque detection mode 0-200%
    125 1 over-torque detection level 0.1-20.0s
    126 0 over-torque detection time 0-1
    127 0 pulse counter memory 0-65000
    128 0 coolling fan control 0:running always 1:control by running command
    129 110 dynamic braking voltage 0-800v
    140 1.5 rated power of motor set as per motor nameplate
    141 110 rated voltage of motor set as per motor nameplate
    142 8 rated current of motor set as per motor nameplate
    143 2 number of motor poles 22-Feb
    144 1525 rated rotating speed of motor 00-9999
    145 2 automatic torque compensation 0.0-10.0%
    146 40 motor no-load current 0-100%
    147 0 motor slip compensation 0-1.0
    148 2 motor slip compensation maximum frequency 0.0-20.0hz
    149 10 motorslip compensation filtering time 0-200ms
    150 1 AVR Function 0-1
    151 0 Automatic Energy saving function 0.0-20.0%
    152 1 Fault restart time 0.2-25.0s
    153 0 selection of transient 0:VALID 1:frequency tracking
    154 0.5 stop restart 0.1-5.0s
    155 0 allowed power fault time times of fault restart 0-10
    156 100 proportional constant P 0.0-1000.0%
    157 2 integration time I 0.1-3600.0s 0:close integration
    158 0 derivation time D 0.01-10.00s 0:close derivation
    159 0 target value 0-100%
    160 10 PID channel setting 0:F159 1:AI1 2:AI2
    161 100 PID up limit 0-100%
    162 0 PID lower limit 0-100%
    163 comminication address 0-250
    164 transmission speed 0-3
    165 communication data mode 0-5
    169 0 selection of communication protocol 0:standard modbus agreement
    170 9 selection of extension display 1 0-11
    171 2 selection of extension display 2 0-11
    172 0 Fault clearing rated voltage of inverter 00-10
    173 126.5 Rated current of inverter 00-10
    174 8 type of inverter 00-10
    175 0 frequency standard of inverter 00-10

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Found the Manual, Slightly different packaging but same guts from what I can tell;
    https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/do...0datasheet.pdf

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by clockstick View Post
    Found the Manual, Slightly different packaging but same guts from what I can tell;
    https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/do...0datasheet.pdf
    Just with a quick look you have Parameter F003 at 120 this needs to be 400 you also need a minimum Frequency F011 this is the slowest speed your spindle can run which with air cooled is most likely 120Hz to 150 Hz

    You also will need to set acceleration time and deceleration time try 6 to 8 for starters

    You also may want to be using V/F as some of these VFD Drives do not work with Vector control with these high speed spindles just something to be aware of
    Mactec54

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    Just with a quick look you have Parameter F003 at 120 this needs to be 400 you also need a minimum Frequency F011 this is the slowest speed your spindle can run which with air cooled is most likely 120Hz to 150 Hz

    You also will need to set acceleration time and deceleration time try 6 to 8 for starters

    You also may want to be using V/F as some of these VFD Drives do not work with Vector control with these high speed spindles just something to be aware of
    mactec54, thanks, I have tried both VFD and Vector for the spindle with no change. I had F003 at 400, as well as you suggested in another post but was trying different suggestions. I will try the accel and deccel times and see what that does. I will set the other settings back as you suggest again along with accel/deccel times and see if the speed can be controlled appropriately.

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by clockstick View Post
    mactec54, thanks, I have tried both VFD and Vector for the spindle with no change. I had F003 at 400, as well as you suggested in another post but was trying different suggestions. I will try the accel and deccel times and see what that does. I will set the other settings back as you suggest again along with accel/deccel times and see if the speed can be controlled appropriately.
    You should not change Parameters if someone says you should unless they have a lot of experience with these high speed spindles, which most don't

    None of these Parameters will change what has happened to your VFD Drive

    You need the minimum speed set as well F011 this will help so you don't damage the VFD Drive or Spindle

    If you did not see any difference with using Vector mode then you should not use it just stick with F012 V/F=0

    F027=30

    F041=6
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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Mactec54,
    I read the Chineseglish manual, and most of it made sense, save for a couple very poorly worded sections. The VFD was not setup to match the spindle as indicated by the seller. So I did my best to fill out the gaps, from what I could find. I believe this VFD is messed it will not respond properly to 0-10v signal for 0-24,000 RPM. I will order a new one and start again. Speed Control via Mach3 is critical to most of my programs.

    Appreciate the help!

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by clockstick View Post
    I believe this VFD is messed it will not respond properly to 0-10v signal for 0-24,000 RPM.
    Do I see jumper J3 set to "I" instead of "V" in one of your photos? Of course the VFD will not respond to 1..10V signal then.

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by clockstick View Post
    Mactec54,
    I read the Chineseglish manual, and most of it made sense, save for a couple very poorly worded sections. The VFD was not setup to match the spindle as indicated by the seller. So I did my best to fill out the gaps, from what I could find. I believe this VFD is messed it will not respond properly to 0-10v signal for 0-24,000 RPM. I will order a new one and start again. Speed Control via Mach3 is critical to most of my programs.

    Appreciate the help!
    As CitizensOfDreams has said check that all the Jumpers are correct, by default they should of been correct

    Also Parameter F073 in your posted list should be set also F073 =100 if not your speed range will not match your spindle speed
    Mactec54

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    OK,

    I have set all the parameters as suggested. The jumper was incorrectly set, that must have been my fat finger when I was checking that they were properly jumpered.
    Now;
    F03=400
    F11=120
    F12=0
    F014-F021 = 5/7s (accel/deccel)
    F027=30
    F041=6
    F073=100

    BUT NOW Mach3 will not start the spindle, I was concerned that I killed my spindle without knowing it. I checked the breakout board spindle off = 0.0V SPindle on 24,000rpm = 10.01V So not mach3 or the breakout board.
    So I next tried to set the VFD back to the front keyboard and potentiometer, and manually selected run on the VFD and set 120-400hz and worked properly.
    Now that I know the VFD and SPindle work properly I went back and set;
    F001=1
    F002-1
    Tried to start the spindle from Mach3 again and failed. Did nothing, no reaction for the spindle, but the VFD front screen does indicate 400hz, and when I turn off the spindle in mach3 it does return to 0 but no reaction to the spindle.
    Can you gentlemen see anything that would cause the odd behavior above? I am beginning to think more and more that my VFD is bad out of the box.
    Thanks for your help, I thought I had a good grasp on this but apparently NOT!

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    Re: Huajiang VFD H100 and 1.5KW Spindle Speed Control

    Quote Originally Posted by clockstick View Post
    Tried to start the spindle from Mach3 again and failed. Did nothing, no reaction for the spindle, but the VFD front screen does indicate 400hz, and when I turn off the spindle in mach3 it does return to 0 but no reaction to the spindle.
    Do you have the FORWARD signal properly connected to the breakout board? Does the signal change when you turn the spindle on in Mach3? Did you accidentally change parameter F044 when you played with the VFD setings?

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