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  1. #1
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    *Knee Mill Retrofit*

    This was a great thread, but the posted decided to remove his post for no good reason, I'm very sorry for this I wish I could have prevented this from happening, but this will never happen again, as I have put into place safety mmeasures to prevent this.

    CNCadmin

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    Great looking project, we’ll be watching with interest.

    Gary

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    Good luck, IJ.

    Are you going "4 axis" on this unit? By this, I mean a quill Z drive on the spindle as well as the knee drive you have already built? Powered table up would be a nice feature, but perhaps not something that would be used during a single part program.

    That table is heavy to lift up and down much, especially if you are doing much in the way of drill cycles. You might find it desirable to attempt to counterweight the table assembly. I would be concerned about wearing out the vertical ways on the back of the apron. The lube system to the vertical ways is sometimes of questionable value, ie., it could be nigh on impossible to prevent metal to metal contact.
    First you get good, then you get fast. Then grouchiness sets in.

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    Keep em coming bud, looking forward to follow the story.
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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  5. #5
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    LOL Ian,

    How much cast iron ended up in your eyes?
    Sounds like your 700w motors will do the job just fine then.
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    Good Showing Ian,

    You really take pride in your work, it's good to see. Can't wait to see the next stage.
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    Ian,

    That sounds OK since you are using a 25mm Ballscew, however, make sure you are not going to end up with whip in it as the controller you have will be able to spin it a 3700 rpm. It may pay you to talk to lee abount the RPM and maximum overhang when the ballscrew nut is at one end. That is of course if you are wanting to run it at supersonic speed. It is possible to de tune your drive to the speed that your ballscrew is happy with but I don't want you to get disappointed if it is not the speed you want, so , before you cut it too short make your mind up, or if you can, leave the screw a bit longer incase you have to turn an end bearing journal in the future.

    Good luck
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    You beauty!!!

    Go Get 'em dude.
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
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    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    Ian,

    Overbuilt is good, much better than under built.

    I have no problems with you posting pics of our controller.
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    IJ, I am following this thread closely, and I am interested in what controller you are planning to use for this project. It appears that you are using industry standard BLDC drives that accept ±10vdc. I have a machine very simmilar to this, with motors, drives and an outdated control. The controller is the part that I would like to update. My problem is that all of the software that I have found outputs step and direction. The drives that I have only accept ±10vdc. I realize that Rutex makes a converter board, but I thought that you might have a more elegant solution, or a more sophisticated software. If so, please let me know what you are planning on using.
    Thanks-
    NEATman

    BTW, I like the Kollmorgen Silverline motors that you are using. Brushless DC is definetly the way to go. The only thing to wear out is the ball bearings.
    NEATman
    Basic research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. Wernher von Braun

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    Where did you get the ballscrew for the knee, what work did you have to do to it?

    More pics of knee would be helpful for me as I am about to embark in retroing my mill also.

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    IJ:
    What are those drives?
    I'm very interested because I have 3 SST-1500-ACX on the shelf waiting for testing.
    They look very much like yours, except for the silk screen printing. But I have only 2 motors, one very small and one small, both Technics motors. I'd be happy to hear about how you set up those motors with the drives if they are the same as mine. If you replace the capital letter words in my sig below, you have my email address, as this may not be very interesting to the others.

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    .....

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    Very nice work so far. Always overbuild is my rule. Most parts will be a pain to rebuild later so it's best to get everything 2x as strong as you need it because you never know what the future holds.
    Proud owner of a Series II Bridgeport.

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    Ian, I'm impressed!

    Klox
    *** KloX ***
    I'm lazy, I'm only "sparking" when the EDM is running....

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    Ian, i've got a mill just like yours. I'm itching to convert it to cnc, however the funds are lacking at this stage. This is why i'm so interested in what you have done & how you have gone about doing the retrofit. At some stage i would be the one asking lots of questions......

    Keep well,

    Klox
    *** KloX ***
    I'm lazy, I'm only "sparking" when the EDM is running....

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    Ian: I think my biggest obstacle would be the electronics side of things (I'm a BIG computor idiot! LOL!).
    Maybe i could bribe Kookaburra to come and help me.....

    The machining you did looks excellent, so neat!
    Keep up your good work!

    Klox
    *** KloX ***
    I'm lazy, I'm only "sparking" when the EDM is running....

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    Klox,

    I'm up for bribes, lol. Maybe I could come over and first of all watch my rugby union team beat yours and then come and help you with the retro, lol. :cheers:
    "A Helicopter Hovers Above The Ground, Kind Of Like A Brick Doesn't"
    Greetings From Down Under
    Dave Drain
    Akela Australia Pty. Ltd.

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    Klox: I think by far the hardest part and the most critical to get correct is the dogbone.

    I machined a mandrel to a slip fit into the original hole once the brass acme inserts were removed and turned a 20 mm shaft on it on centre.(mandrel is 1.5" stepped to 20 mm)

    I slip the mandrel into the dogbone then put the 20 mm shaft into a collet chuck in the mill then clamp it all in a Kurt vice to ensure it doesn't move.

    I then make sure I can slide the mandrel in and out of the dogbone using the quill on the mill.
    Mill to whatever size you need for the ball nut then turn 90 degrees and repeat.

    I'm assuming when the dogbone was made they either used a compound 2 axis boring machine or some sort of accurate fixture so am relying on this for my set up.

    Dave: If you're going remember to pick me up on the way out !!

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    Today's progress !

    I made the upper belt covers today and the bearing retainers for X and Y.

    I also added another outboard bearing to support the handle shaft in manual mode (Not really needed but as I had a couple of spare angular contact bearings I figured why not)

    Last pic is for ty1295 showing how my knee drive fits inside the knee.








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