[Bluesman]

It is a FACT for the last million years the earth has warmed and cooled a dozen times. MAN CAN NOT START IT, MAN CAN NOT STOP IT.
How egotisticall we must be to think that our pathetic lives could so easily affect sonthing that a power much greater than us has created.
It is about controll that is all, It is about the commies that failled in the 80's now trying a new way around our free lives. Well your argument is falling apart day by day, My kids do not even believ you anymore. Soon you will be in the same leage as the flat earth society. Our them clowns that think the moon landings were all filmed in a studio in hollywood.
Like i have said all along

SMOKE ANOTHER ONE BRO

BLUESMAN

A quick background to the last ice age

The time span of the last 130,000 years has seen the global climate system switch from warm interglacial to cold glacial conditions, and back again. This broad interglacial-glacial-interglacial climate oscillation has been recurring on a similar periodicity for about the last 900,000 years, though each individual cycle has had its own idiosyncrasies in terms of the timing and magnitude of changes. As is usually the case with the study of the past, data are in short supply, and only a few sketchy outlines are known for the earliest cycles (Winograd et al. 1997). Even for the most recent oscillation beginning around 130,000 years ago there is still too much ambiguity in terms of the errors in geological dating techniques, in the gaps in the record, and in the slowness of responses by indicator species, to know precisely when certain events occurred and whether the climate changes were truly synchronous between different regions. The general picture summarized here (and in the separate map sections below) roughly reflects the present consensus gained from ice cores, deep ocean cores, and terrestrial and lake sediments around the world.

Warmth. Around 130,000-110,000 years ago (the Eemian interglacial), the Earth's climates were generally much like those of today, though somewhat warmer and moister in many regions. The climate record derived from long ice cores taken through the Greenland ice cap suggested that the warm climate of the Eemian might have been punctuated by many sudden and fairly short-lived cold phases, but these results are now thought of as inaccurate because the lower layers of the ice sheet have become buckled and jumbled up. However, at least one major cold and dry event during the Eemian seems to be corroborated by the terrestrial pollen record from Europe and China (Zhisheng & Porter 1997). The issue remains controversial, as this review article explains.

Cooling. Though the time at which the Eemian interglacial ended is subject to some uncertainty (it was probably around 110,000 years ago), what does seem evident from the sediment records that cross this boundary is that it was a relatively sudden event and not a gradual slide into colder conditions taking many thousands of years. The recent high-resolution Atlantic sediment record of Adkins et al (1997) suggests that the move from interglacial to much colder-than-present glacial conditions occurred over a period of less than 400 years (with the limitations on the resolution of the sediment record leaving open the possibility that the change was in fact very much more rapid than this).

Following this initial cooling event, conditions often changed in sudden leaps and bounds followed by several thousand years of relatively stable climate or even a temporary reversal to warmth, but overall there was a decline. Northern forest zones retreated and fragmented as the summers and winters grew colder. Large ice sheets began to grow in the northern latitudes when the snow that fell in winter failed to melt, and instead piled up from one year to the next until it reached thousands of metres in thickness.

As the cold grew more severe, the Earth's climate also became drier because the global 'weather machine' that evaporates water from the oceans and drops it on the land operates less effectively at colder temperatures and when the polar sea ice is extensive. Even in areas that were not directly affected by the ice sheets, aridity began to cause forests to die and to give way to dry grassland, which requires less water to survive. Eventually, much of the grassland retreated to give way to deserts and semi-deserts, as global conditions reached a cold, dry low point around 70,000 years ago (this is called the Lower Pleniglacial). By this time, most of northern Europe and Canada were covered by thick ice sheets.

In-between. By around 60,000-55,000 years ago, conditions around the world had become warmer, though still generally colder than today. The ice melted back partially, and there followed a long 'middling' phase in which the climate oscillated between warmer and colder conditions, often in sudden jumps. During some parts of this phase, conditions in the tropics may have been moister than they are at present, and at other times they were drier. Generally, the mid-latitude zones seem to have been drier than present, with cold steppe and wooded steppe instead of forests.

Cooling again. After about 30,000 years ago, the Earth's climate system entered another big freeze-up; temperatures fell, deserts expanded and ice sheets spread across the northern latitudes much as they had done 70,000 years ago. This cold and arid phase which reached its most extreme point sometime around 21,000-17,000 years ago (18,000-15,000 radiocarbon years ago) is known as the Late Glacial Cold Stage (and is also sometimes called the Upper Pleniglacial).

The point at which the global ice extent was at its greatest, about 21,000 years ago (18,000 14C years ago) is known as the Last Glacial Maximum. The Last Glacial Maximum was much more arid than present almost everywhere, with desert and semi-desert occupying huge areas of the continents and forests shrunk back into refugia. But in fact, the greatest global aridity (rather than ice extent) may have been reached slightly after the Last Glacial Maximum, somewhere during the interval 19,000-17,000 years ago (17,000-15,000 14C years ago).
Interstadials. Sudden warm and moist phases occurred at various times during the timespan of the last glacial phase, often taking Greenland and Europe from a full-glacial climate to conditions about as warm as at present. For the time period between 115,000 and 14,000 years ago, 24 of these short lived warm events have so far been recognized from the Greenland ice core data (where they are called 'Dansgaard-Oeschger events'), although many lesser warming events also occurred (Dansgaard et al. 1993). From the speed of the climate changes recorded in the Greenland ice cap (Dansgaard et al. 1989), and by observation of the speed of change in sedimentation conditions on land, it is widely believed that the complete 'jump' in climate occurred over only a few decades. The interstadials lasted for varying spans of time, usually a few centuries to about 2,000 years, before an equally rapid cooling returned conditions to their previous state. Recent study of high-resolution deep sea cores (Bond et al. 1997) suggests that for at least the last 30,000 years, interstadials tended to occur at the warmer points of a background north Atlantic (and global?) temperature cycle which had a periodicity of around 1500 years. Not every warm peak was marked by an interstadial, but when each interstadial did occur it tended to begin at around the peak of this background temperature cycle. The same pattern seems to have dominated the occurrence of Heinrich events (below), which tended to begin at the coldest point of the temperature cycle, and the same basic 1500-year climate cycle has apparently continued into the very different world of the Holocene (below).

Apart from the north Atlantic region, interstadials may well have affected climate in other parts of the world; some of them show up as strong temperature changes in the Antarctic ice cores at the other end of the world. They are also associated with brief peaks in atmospheric methane concentration, suggesting that the biological activity of swamps and herbivores around the world increased as a result of moisture and warmth.

Heinrich events. Opposite in sign to the interstadials were sudden intense cold and dry phases which occasionally affected Europe and the north Atlantic region, and possibly many other parts of the world. The Heinrich events were first recognized as the traces of 'ice surges' into the north Atlantic, but they show up in the Greenland ice cores and at least some are also detectable in the European pollen records and distant Antarctic ice cores. They may also show up as pine pollen peaks in Florida, and environmental changes in the Middle East, China, New Zealand and South America, though without better dating control it is difficult to say with confidence that these really are part of a global-scale pattern that fits the timing of northern Atlantic Heinrich events. In fact, Heinrich events 'sensu stricto' are merely the most extreme of a spectrum of sudden, brief cold events which seem to have occurred very frequently over the last 115,000 years. The Greenland and North Atlantic record (Bond & Lotti 1995) suggests that during the last 50,000 years, Heinrich events occurred around 41,000, 35,000, 23,000, 21,000 and 17,000-15,000 'real' years ago, apparently tending to start at the 'low point' of a 1500-year temperature cycle. Each interstadial lasted between several hundred and several thousand years, with the 21,000 y.a. event and the 17,000-15,000 y.a. event both perhaps representing the 'extreme' Last Glacial Maximum conditions mapped below. If this is the case, slightly milder (though still much more cold and arid than present) conditions may have prevailed during some parts of this period.


Warming, then a cold snap. Around 14,000 years ago (about 13,000 radiocarbon years ago), there was a rapid global warming and moistening of climates, perhaps occurring within the space of only a few years or decades. In many respects, this phase seems to have resembled some of the earlier interstadials that had occurred so many times before during the glacial period. Conditions in many mid-latitude areas appear to have been about as warm as they are today, although many other areas - whilst warmer than during the Late Glacial Cold Stage - seem to have remained slightly cooler than at present. Forests began to spread back, and the ice sheets began to retreat. However, after a few thousand years of recovery, the Earth was suddenly plunged back into a new and very short-lived ice age known as the Younger Dryas. Although the Younger Dryas did not affect everywhere in the world, it destroyed the returning forests in the north and led to a brief resurgence of the ice sheets. This map by D. Peteet shows the possible distribution of Younger Dryas cooling around the world. The main cooling event that marks the beginning of the Younger Dryas seems have occurred within less than 100 years, according to Greenland ice core data (Alley et al. 1993). After about 1,300 years of cold and aridity, the Younger Dryas seems to have ended in the space of only a few decades (various estimates from ice core climate indicators range from 20 - 70 years for this sudden transition) when conditions became as warm as they are today. Around half of the warming seems to have occurred in the space of a single span of 15 years, according to the latest detailed analyses of the Greenland ice core record (Taylor et al. 1997).

The start of the present warm phase, the Holocene. Following the sudden ending of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago (or 10,000 14C years ago), forests quickly regained the ground that they had lost to cold and aridity. Ice sheets again began melting, though because of their size they took about two thousand more years to disappear completely. The Earth entered several thousand years of conditions warmer and moister than today; the Saharan and Arabian deserts almost completely disappeared under a vegetation cover, and in the northern latitudes forests grew slightly closer to the poles than they do at present. This phase, known as the 'Holocene optimum' occurred between about 9,000 and 5,000 years ago (8,000-4,000 14C years ago), though the timing of the warmest and moistest conditions probably varied somewhat between different regions. Some of the events and regional climatic trends of the last 10,000 years are summarized in this time line by N.C. Heywood. The 'optimum' may have been punctuated by a severe cold and dry phase that affected climates across north Africa, southern Asia, Europe, the Americas and Antarctica about 8,200 years ago (7,500 14 y.a.), perhaps lasting for a century or two before a return to warmer and wetter conditions (Stager & Mayewski 1997). In Africa at least, the climate does not seem to have returned to the moist warm 'optimum' state that prevailed before this sudden drought, but it was significantly moister than at present. After about 5,000 years ago, there was a further cooling and drying in many areas (again, often sudden and stepwise), and conditions became more similar to the present-day. A particularly widespread cool event associated with relatively wet conditions seems to have occurred in many parts of the world around 2600 years ago (van Geel et al. 1996). A general pattern in climate during the Holocene has been detected from high-resolution cores in the north Atlantic. It seems that at least in the North Atlantic region, and possibly globally, there was a warm-cold cycle with a periodicity of around 1500 years (Bond et al. 1997). In the north Atlantic region, and probably adjacent oceanic areas of Europe, the change from peak to trough of each period was about 2 deg.C , a very substantial change in mean annual temperature (though only a small fraction of the change between glacial and interglacial conditions). The cold phases seem to have been relatively abrupt, and each lasted several centuries before an apparently rapid switch back to warmer conditions. on this approximate periodicity are dated at 11,100 10,300 9,400 8,100 5,900 4,200 2,800 and 1400 years ago; they include the 8,600 y.a. and 2,600 y.a. events which seem to have been the most extreme in terms of showing up in terrestrial records around the world.

The unstable nature of the Earth's climate history suggests that it may be liable to change suddenly in the future. By putting large quantities of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humans are exerting pressure on the climate system which might produce a drastic change without much prior warning. As the geologist W.S. Broecker has said, "Climate is an angry beast, and we are poking it with sticks".

[NC Cams]

Somebody needs a nap.

It is one thing to USE resources - another to WASTE them. The real problem is how we WASTE resources.

All the causes and effects outlined in the above would be mitigated if we didn't WASTE resrouces, which perhaps toying on computers, helps contribute to.

Unplug the PC and save some of the precious resources that some folks are trying to save via the arresting of the "global warming hoax" that you seem to be poking sticks at.

[jhowelb]

Resources aren't wasted, just borrowed temporarily then given back to nature. Only in rare conditions can matter or energy either be created or destroyed. (E=mc2) Unless you happen to be speaking of an individuals energy which in the case of the first poster in this thread apparantly needs to blow off a little excess.

Good for him, his thought processes are at least correct! :-)

[Seraph]

Someone else who realised that we didn't start the process nor can we stop it, we just sped it up a bit with our greenhouse emission "sticks".

Rant Mode

Unfortunately since the government gets free reign to introduce extra taxes and keep the green party supporters on their side with the tagline "yes but global warming....." such misconceptions will continue.

Can you believe that hospitals in the UK actually charge their workers to park there *cough* stealth tax *cough* based on the assumption that it will reduce global warming by making people that live miles away, sometimes away from bus routes and trains take bikes or public transport.

/Rant Mode

[MIKE JEFFERS]

"Resources aren't wasted, just borrowed temporarily then given back to nature."

oh good i dont feel so bad about all that 2 stroke that leaked out my bike last week

shurley the problems not global warming but the guvment "helping" us fight it