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  1. #1
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    Suggestion for swiss cutting oils

    Hello,
    I have a Tornos ENC 264. I need to flush the system and buy new cutting oil for it. Does anyone here have a suggestion or caution on what to buy or what not to buy. This is the first time I have had to buy coolant for it and am unsure what to get. Thanks for the input.

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    coolant

    I have 7 swiss machines, and i highly reccomend Blaser Swisslube Vascomill 22. It is a vegitable based oil coolant. It works great for cutting most materials and has a high flash point. if you get into cutting more higher end materials, eg. cobalt chrome, inconel, etc. use the blaser HD. it has a chlorine additive to keep chips from sticking to the cutting surface.

    Happy machining

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    we run hangsterfers hardcut NG in our swiss, also an ester based oil (synthetic derived from vegatable). nice high flash point, and some parrafinated chlorine. 7 weight so it pumps nice. I have tested motorex orthocut, and it's nice as well.

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    Martin Chemical's Remcool-V80; it's veg based, too.

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    We are running Motorex Ortho NF-X 22.

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    I would second thet Vascomil22 but also when you need thinner for small thru coolant tools there is vascomil10. This also handles the high pressure pumps very well. Recovers quickly so you don't need to shut down to help in the recovery.
    Hangsterfer's is also very good but I just don't like the odor. Has trouble with the hi-psi pumps though.

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    I've used swiss silver HP for years... works good... keeps things clean...
    ~Tony~

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    We Run Blaser Vascomill 22 as well

    heres a Link

    http://www.blaser.com/index.cfm?type...id=379&land=us

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    We used to use Hangsterfers at Hewlett Packard. Not stinky like some other types. Also used Cut Max to prevent seizures of the stock in the machines that used dead bushings.

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    I use the Hangstefers vegetable oil on my TB Deco. I do a lot of deep hole drilling in titanium and it works great. Incredible tool life with it as well.

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    We are using the Hangstefers Hard Cut 525 Light. We use our high pressor systems alot and run our machines 20 hours a day. the lighter oil works great with the high pressor systems and cleans off parts better than others. We run more steel than anything, but run alot of brass and aluminum as well, Works Great!

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    I also use Blaser Swisslube Vascomill 22 in my shop.

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    Does anybody know who sells Blasers in the Southern California Area? Orange County in particular?

    Thanks

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    You can order it from D & D Tool and supply. The number for the Anaheim office is (714) 632-5100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosko View Post
    I also use Blaser Swisslube Vascomill 22 in my shop.
    ditto

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    Question to you guys using the vascomill 22. On our star we are using vascomill 44 which I guess is thicker. When running 2011 we get a lot of low coolant alarms due to the chips building up on the side of the chip tray and not letting the coolant drain out, just wondering if switching to the 22 would help with that. We use the vascomill 22 with a mister on our 14" saw for cutting stock an it works great, smells like hell but works great.

    Carl

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    Reclaiming Vascomill 22 from chips

    Can anyone offer any insight into the method used to reclaim oil from the chips? I currently drain the oil from the chip bin but I'm sure a lot of oil is going with the chips when the metal recycler takes the bin. As you all know Vascomill 22 is not cheap!

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    a spinner is the answer

    I know you probably don't want to hear it but a spinner is the best way to do that. We spin our chips and our parts. We reclaim a couple of gallons a week or more. We bought a New Barrett model 601-E. It came in just over $20,000 but it does squeeze a lot of extra coolant out of our chips and parts. One thing we did do to reduce the amount of coolant leaving the machine was to turn down the conveyer to a crawl. It gives the coolant more time to drip off of the chips before exiting the machine. Assuming you have a conveyer. That might help a little too. Hope this helps.

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    spinner

    even back in the cam machine days we used to spin the oil out of the chips and now on the cnc's. It saves on oil loss and in some cases increases the value of your chips due to the minimal amount of oil in them.You can always find a used spinner.
    good luck

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    used washing machine

    For the thread... You can modify a used washing machine to make a chip spinner. Put your chips in old pillow cases to contain them and just run the spin cycle and catch the drain off in something

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