[timan]

Looking at the SS20 nice machine and nicely priced. Good, Bad, Ugly thoughts on Tsugami?

[tobyaxis]

They are well built, rigid, and durable. Set up is fairly straight forward.

All around a good machine

[paulbaird5150]

the shop i work in just purchased a 1995 tsugami 25(D) does anyone have any sample programs that i could edit to use as a generic base program so i can get up and running.it uses fanuc otc controls.any help at all would be greatly appreciated.send any programming info or attached programs to [email protected]. thanks guy`s.

[tobyaxis]

Do you have the manuals?

[paulbaird5150]

I have one maual but the programming format is very vague and non-descriptive it only gives partial samples not an entire picture.

[tobyaxis]

I have one maual but the programming format is very vague and non-descriptive it only gives partial samples not an entire picture.

You must be talking about the Fanuc Manual. The Manual I'm talking about is written by Tsugami. It has detailed programs and specific diagrams related to your specific machine.

The swiss I used is no longer made. It was a '94 with a Fanuc 1LE Control.

Try calling Tsugami or this http://www.remsales.com/home/resources.html

[WarOzz]

We purchased a Tsugami BE20 V with a FMB Turbo 3-26 bar feeder about two years ago for in house parts. I had no prior experience with swiss style screw machines, just old cam driven brown & sharps but it was a quick machine to learn. With the Fanuc controls the programming is fairly straight forward, if you have written a program for any other mill or lathe you should be able to pick this up in a week or two. So far I have made over a million parts on this machine and have had only one serious crash. Not sure how it happened but we broke a cast housing were the bar feed mounts to the machine. Unfortunately this happened over the weekend when the machine was unattended so I am not sure what caused the crash. The cost of the crash about about $1000, not bad for a million parts so far. Overall this has been a great addition to our shop and I would recomend a Tsugami to anyone.

[fukeneh]

Tsugami is a great machine. I do recommened using straight oil in the machine. I had ones sub spindle lock up because of rust. Tsugami told me it's better to run straight oil. Although if you do run straight oil I would get a mistbuster 500.

[WarOzz]

I use M22 light cutting oil from Jokish industries in our BE20. We have a rather large facility so smoke from the oil has not been a problem so far. If it gets to be a problem a mistbuster can solve it fast. I do recomend a chip spinner though, you will waste a lot of expensive oil if you do not spin the chips.

Ed

[ktkickinass]

Tsugamis a good machine. One of the nicest characteristics for me is the fact that its not nearly as senstive to imperfect barstock as the Star. And the Star is even equipped with that piece of junk Rotary Magic guide bush....

[hacdlux]

i have the big brother the ss32 my observations:

having the y axis on the sub is very convenit not only for spliting cycles but also centering tools


if you use the radials on the sub you will more than likely lose the use of the the adjacent live/stationary holder


the new tsugamis have air displacement on live tools making them water safe


ive had one good crash (bar jammed in gb and slipped in main collet)and after indicating the holder back in machine runs fine(it broke a 3/8 spot drill sideways)


one final note ss 20 is a convertible to gb-less a nice feature if you want to run extruded bar(i get away with it i just run the gb loose but i have had stock where it is so in consistent it can foul up

over all a very nice freindly machine but it is a swiss and they are deffinetly diffrent

[SWISS20]

how do the Tsugami's compare to the Citizens? We run the A and L 20mm line, and I am happy with our citizens but I have recently been looking into the Tsugami's and I am interested in there machines, as they offer more live tooling on separate gangs for the same price point as an L20, I know there is alot of people who like either or, but im really looking for input from any persons who has worked with both the machines to know the ups and downs, thanks

[BAD DOG]

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME MACHINE,,,,,,HAS ANYONE USED THE MACHINE WITH THE CHUCKER OPTION.

PLEASE CALL ME AND LET'S TALK.

DOUG
651-653-0048 DAYS

[PixMan]

I don't know if any of you looking for a "convertible" machine would be interested, but when I was at the Eastec show I found that Maier USA has one that is going for about $125K complete. I think it's called a ML Hybrid. I'm not sure about the size, but I believe it's 26mm machine.

They use Fanuc controls, and have forced-air cooled spindles, cast polymer bases, and live tools that are the same ones used on Star machines. Looked like a good deal if you're a Fanuc-oriented user.

[tobyaxis]

I don't know if any of you looking for a "convertible" machine would be interested, but when I was at the Eastec show I found that Maier USA has one that is going for about $125K complete. I think it's called a ML Hybrid. I'm not sure about the size, but I believe it's 26mm machine.

They use Fanuc controls, and have forced-air cooled spindles, cast polymer bases, and live tools that are the same ones used on Star machines. Looked like a good deal if you're a Fanuc-oriented user.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to pass this over a few desks

[Scanfab]

I'm starting up a S16 TSUGAMI from 1995 and it has a few working programs in it, test ran it 16 hours with no problems.. Once we get the programs loaded onto a computer, I can share them as a base program including synk both chucks to feed part past tool, cutoff and work on subspindle, part catcher etc...

[carzaqpca]

hi, i just start with this machine it has a fanuc 3/ia control, could you share some programs, i need samples to change my post processor, i'm using mastercam, my email is [email protected].
Thank you

[hacdlux]

heres some sample ops, honestly the start and end are always the same your just changing part lengths

i have started an ss post for mastercam, but only the main side, it does have the ability to set the g300 and cutoff sync but no milling yet

main

O3011(PRESSURE INDICATOR)
M91
/M61

M93012

N10(START UP)
M501
G00G18G99T0/M08
M11
G300X-0.08Z1.256T0800
G150Z-0.008
M10
G00X5.4331Z-0.04T0
M502

N20(FRONT FACING)
M13S6000G00Z0.0T2525
X0.705
G99G01X-0.08F0.0028
Z-0.04F0.08
G41X0.545
X0.705Z0.04F0.0028
G40G00X5.4331W0.0T0

GOTO1000

N25(SLOTTING SAW)
G28U0M8
T0M5
M8
T0303
M50
G28H0.
M82
M23S3500
G98
G1X0Y0F236.
G1Z.125F12.
Y.290F20.
Y-.290F20.
Z-.06F40.
Y0
G28U0M25
T0
m51

N45(SPOT CENTER)
T1818M3S4000
G0X0Y0
G99G1Z.238F.002
G4X.2
Z-.04
G28U0
T0

N100(CUT OFF BACK-SP)
T0800
M503
M13S3200G00Z1.025T0808
X0.705
M504
M56
M53
M505
M506
M20

M98P707002

G01X-0.08F0.0016
M57
M507

N110(END OFF)
M508
M95
/M92
M96

/M61
G04U0.3

M97
M509
M30
%


N1000


sub
%
O3012(PRESSURE INDICATOR; .625 PICKUP COLLET)

#500=0.0(1.0 SKIPS BACKWORK)

N10(START UP)
M501
G00G18G98T0
G310Z13.7795Y0.0T9900
M502

IF[#500EQ1.0]GOTO1000


N30(.25 ENDMILL)
M104S4000T3737
Z0.04
G99G83Z-.765F.006P2000
G28W0.
T0
N20(#32 DRILL)
T3333
M123S2000
G00Z0.04
M104S5000
G99G1Z-.060F.001
G0Z.04
G99G83Z-.935F0.0024P2000
G80
Z0.04F0.08
G28W0
T0

N1000

N60(WORK SEPARETOR)
G00Z13.7795T0
M105T9900
M17
G04U0.5
G00Z13.7795T0
M21
M78
G4U.5
M79
M18
G04U0.5
M28
G28W0
T0

N90(CUT OFF BACK-SP)
M503
M21
M105G00X0.0T9999
M103S1500Z1.003
M504
M505
G98G01Z.100F236.0
M506
M507

N100(END OFF)
M508
G00Z13.7795Y0.0T0M105
M509
M30
%

[mikeswiss]

The Tsugami's are great machines. If you have an older Tsugami like an S16, S20, S25 and are interested in adding more tool positions I can help. We converted ours and now have 10 O/D turning positions. This greatly reduces your set-up time by allowing residential tooling. If interested contact me and we can discuss this.

[JMS4287]

And the Star is even equipped with that piece of junk Rotary Magic guide bush....

HAHAHAHA...I just had to laugh at that one...been there..