[Rotormac]

This is my first time out of lurk mode and above the parapet, so please forgive me if I'm not in the correct forum.

I'm trying to resurrect an old Chiron FZ12 circa 1979.

The maching has been switched off for over two years and refused to jog when I connected it last week.

When we got it first six years ago, the battery for the volatile memory had died so we replaced it and reloaded parameters and all was well.

This time, no such luck.

I'm going through the process in the Siemens manual to re-initialise a corrupt system. Stage 1:- clearing and reloading NC comm and PC comm seems to proceed OK but when I move to Stage 2:- Initialise NC shows a message "These functions require commissioning data to be set" and I'm screwed.

It appears to me that even though the first stage appears to complete OK, the data loaded must be corrupt. There are 12 Eproms in the controller on three daughter cards (which I have reseated). I suspect one of these has given up the ghost.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Philip.

[tld70]

Hello

How did you reinitial the controller?
I dont thik a eprom is defective

Best regards
Thomas

[Rotormac]

Thomas,
The process in the manual starts with powering on the controller while holding down the 'eyeball' key until the screen comes alive. This presents a screen with softkeys enabling initialisation of the various parts, starting with deleting and reloading commissioning data, NC and PC. The next screen cannot be processed because of the message quoted above.
I'm assuming the data reloaded must come from an eprom but I'll be more than happy to be wrong.
Can you suggest a way to further investigate my problem? Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Philip.

[tld70]

Philip,

dont care about the messages in this mode.
first you have to delete and load the ncmd
after this the plc datas
then the nc datas.
there no datas to load from the eproms.
can you give me the machinenumber, may i can provide the
machinedatas.


regards
Thomas

[Rotormac]

Thomas,

It's manufacture date is 1979. I'm at home so I cannot verify the S/N until Monday but I'm fairly sure it's 101-18.

Philip.

[tld70]

OK Philip,

if you are sure about this datas please
reply it on Monday, also I need the Controller Type
810 GA1 or GA2 or GA3
also I need a Email Adress where I can send the Datas

regards
Thomas

[Rotormac]

Thomas,
I'll confirm tomorrow. Where will I find GA* on the controller?

I'm Philip 'at' watermarkeng.ie

Thanks again,

Philip

[Rotormac]

Thomas,

The machine serial is 101-18.

On the Sinumerik Logbuch this is the information:

SINUMERIK 810 M
6FC3471-OAA-Z
F-NR.: A 1477149
24V DC, 120W

I can't find any reference to GA* in the manuals or on the machine???

Regards,

Philip.

[andresantosgodinho]

OK Philip,

if you are sure about this datas please
reply it on Monday, also I need the Controller Type
810 GA1 or GA2 or GA3
also I need a Email Adress where I can send the Datas

regards
Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I know this is an old topic but I have recently purchased a used Chiron FZ 12 S High Speed with a Siemens Sinumerik 810M GA3 controller.
Unfortunatly the machine was disconected for a long time and all parameters were lost.
I have all documents with the original parameters signed in april of 1995 by someone who's name is Buschle.
I have followed the instructions to write these parameters into the 810 but i have not been able to get the machine to turn on.
I would like to know if you can provide the original parameters or a backup copy of them of something that will make the machine run. I might be missing something.
Machine type is FZ12-S 20W
Machine Serial Number is 474-13
NC-Optionen Standard:
B70,B75,N02,E31,F72,B61,F05,E42,N31,N32
NC-Optionen kostenpflichtig:
A04

Thank you in advance,
André Godinho

[M.RISHIKESH]

Dear All,

As i could get a place to put New thread, hence using "Reply" field in place of New Thread - Pl excuse me

Machine Details : Magnum High speed Chiron-Wierke
D-78532 TUTTLINGEN
Nr. 457-07 Year 1997 with Siemens 810 GA3

This machine was nnot in use for 1 year, when we tried to switch we got Error "PLC STOP", then as per the standard procedure we loaded PLC through our old back up, everything got loaded without any error but finally when we switch ON the machine again we get "PLC Stop"

We repeated few times but still PLC Stop

We feel that our PLC nackup is not OK

a) Can any of u please send me PLC of this machine

b) Apart from this any other advice if u can give me

Best Regards,

Pl reply to [email protected]

M. Rishikesh

[setem]

The first thing you have to check is the battery for support all MD in place.
Maybe that battery has to be changed.
Regards.

Dear All,

As i could get a place to put New thread, hence using "Reply" field in place of New Thread - Pl excuse me

Machine Details : Magnum High speed Chiron-Wierke
D-78532 TUTTLINGEN
Nr. 457-07 Year 1997 with Siemens 810 GA3

This machine was nnot in use for 1 year, when we tried to switch we got Error "PLC STOP", then as per the standard procedure we loaded PLC through our old back up, everything got loaded without any error but finally when we switch ON the machine again we get "PLC Stop"

We repeated few times but still PLC Stop

We feel that our PLC nackup is not OK

a) Can any of u please send me PLC of this machine

b) Apart from this any other advice if u can give me

Best Regards,

Pl reply to [email protected]

M. Rishikesh

[tld70]

Hello Andre,

I can provide the datas,
where I can send it?
Best regards
Thomas

[mlinkadelsol]

Good day to you all.
I have a problem with my 1996 Chiron FZ12W, Siemens 810M GA3.
I cant get past initializing screen. The "eyeball" button doesnt help.
Im suspecting that something is toasted
Also RED LED on CPU card is ON and I dont know if this is normal.
Could it be the faulty CPU card?
Thank you very much.
Attachment 489180

This was the photo of the screen before I was stuck on initializing screen and before I took the battery out:
Attachment 489182

[servtech]

Good day to you all.
I have a problem with my 1996 Chiron FZ12W, Siemens 810M GA3.
I cant get past initializing screen. The "eyeball" button doesnt help.
Im suspecting that something is toasted
Also RED LED on CPU card is ON and I dont know if this is normal.
Could it be the faulty CPU card?
Thank you very much.
Attachment 489180

This was the photo of the screen before I was stuck on initializing screen and before I took the battery out:
Attachment 489182

The original message translated means "data parity error monitoring" giving the fault addresses. Could have been battery, but as you changed it, it's unlikely unless you lost the memory.

Do you have a parameter data backup you can upload?

[tld70]

Hello,
can you provide a Machine Number?
You tell tht eye button does not help.
If this is correct I think you have a faulty Eprom?
I can check the Eproms here.

Wait for your reply
Regards
Thomas

[mlinkadelsol]

Hello,
can you provide a Machine Number?
You tell tht eye button does not help.
If this is correct I think you have a faulty Eprom?
I can check the Eproms here.

Wait for your reply
Regards
Thomas

Good day and thank you.
Machine number is : 471-09
Is it normal that the RED led is on on the CPU card?

[tld70]

Hello,
the red LED will be on ehen the CPU is not running,
If you press the Eye Button and switch on you will still have the alarm?
If yes, one of the Eprom Module is defect.
May this module you showed, the 2 eproms on the CPU Card or the module on the buttom
where the 3 small insertions are located.
.

[mlinkadelsol]

The original message translated means "data parity error monitoring" giving the fault addresses. Could have been battery, but as you changed it, it's unlikely unless you lost the memory.

Do you have a parameter data backup you can upload?

Good day, battery is OK. I have the parameters but cant upload them because machine is stuck on the initializing screen and the "eyeball" button doesnt work. Also RED led on the back of CPU card is ON (if that means something).
Any help would be very appreciated.