[mmckell]

hello wise people of the Cincinnati CNC Forum!

I'd like to clone the hard drive in our 1996 Arrow 500

My IT guy has Norton Ghost 2003 - version 2003.793

Will this version work or do I need something a little older

thanks in advance :cheers:
Mac

[yours_prabhat]

Dear Mac
This is OK with your Machine But for why the cloning ?? unable to understand
Back up is it a term which is OK
Regards
Prabhat

[Al_The_Man]

I have found the only way is to clone it, the windows (usually) NT has to be loaded verbatim with the control S/W, other copy methods do not seem to work.
I use Acronis, but I hear N Ghost works OK.
Al.

[mmckell]

Dear Mac
This is OK with your Machine But for why the cloning ?? unable to understand
Back up is it a term which is OK
Regards
Prabhat

sorry ---- had a brain fart

thats the first word that came to mind when i was writing the post

i agree - "back-up" makes more sense

[scudzuki]

Ideally, cloning (for backup purposes) would be the way to go. Existing HDD croaks, slap in the clone, get back to work. I remember a post a while back about this issue, IIRC attempting to clone the drive rendered the original drive unuseable as the cloning software (possibly Ghost) altered it in some way, possibly it wrote a signature to the drive, I don't remember the details. You want to proceed with caution for sure, maybe search for the thread in this forum.

Joe

[mmckell]

thanks guys

Good advice and i found the thread that Joe is talking about. A lot of info about backing up the A2100. i'll add the link here so others can use it
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showth...ght=back+a2100

I'll let you know how i make out with this
thanks again :cheers:
Mac

[Ron P]

Have a look at this

and never worry about a hard drive failure again.

Ron

[JWC]

Here's the Siemens tech bulletin on cloning. http://www.jwcsplace.com/Promach/A21_049C.pdf

[maxspicer]

Hello!
this is my first post
sorry for my inglish
i`m from argentina and dont speak very well.
i need clon the hard disk of A2100 for my work because we need copy of this hard disk for future repairs..i conect the hdd of cnc in my pc with slave and see the folder "mustang"...is this the software of cnc???..Then it is possible to copy this folder to another hdd with windows nt already installed??the operating System work fine in the cnc??But I practise another method serious feasible?Is possible clon the hdd in windows xp??I test with norton gost 2003 but dont works..other software for cloning for windows xp???tnks!!

sorry again for the bad english!

PLease ANSWER TO [email protected]

Thanks!!

[TickTock_]

Just went through this myself so it is fairly fresh. Other options work, but I thought I'd share what worked for me.


Key message, DO NOT allow the HD to be read by a modern OS!

The s/w I used are G4U (donation/freeware) and fileZilla (donation/freeware).

1) If you have access to an ftp site you can skip this. I didn't so I used filezilla) to set up a local ftp server on one of my modern PCs (vista). Setup a user named "install" with write permission.
2) On any PC with a CD burner, download G4U image and use to create a bootable CD.
3) Remove HD from CNC mill and install it in an old PC connected to your network. **Disconnect all other HD's from this system!! You only need the CNC HD and a CDrom.** If you don't you run the risk of accidentally booting to any OS you happen to have on the other HD's and ruining your CNC drive!!! If not already set up to do so, go into setup to tell the BIOS to boot from the CDrom.
4) Boot the G4U CD and follow instructions to create a image on the ftp server (uploaddisk your.ftp.server.com filename.gz).
5) Power down, remove original CNC HD, and store somewhere for safe keeping. Install backup hardrive into PC.
6) Boot the G4U CD again and follow instructions to slurp the image onto the new drive (slurpdisk your.ftp.server.com filename.gz).
7) Install the copy in your CNC mill and you are good to go. Now you have an image on your computer should anything go wrong *and* the original HD out of harms way.

This creates an exact byte-per-byte copy (acramatic 2100 s/w doesn't even realize anything's changed).

[TickTock_]

Today I tried copying the image to a 4GB compact flash card (CF) in a IDE-to-CF card I bought on eBay for $5. I used the same G4U and filezilla method I listed previously. Works! Machine boots from the CF card just like the original hard drive and surprisingly the boot time is no slower (I guess we are limited by the IDE BW). Anyway this appears to be a convenient, cheap, and vibration tolerant alternative to a traditional hard drive. Maybe not as robust as a modern SSD but a LOT cheaper (I can keep 10 backup CF cards for the cost of one SSD! ). Only ran for one day but so far no flakiness...

[hatam]

Hi

i made an Image with norton ghost
it said something about FLUSHED NTFS !
and after the imaging both disks are dead and that blue screen appears

Can anyone Please Help .
many thanks

H_ghazaei -AT- yahoo -DOT- com

[Al_The_Man]

Sounds like you used a wrong menu and cleared both drives??
Al.

[hatam]

HI
No the data in both drives Exists but its not working
it just hangs.

it means a lot to me if anyone can help
thanks