[agachero]

Hello:

I need buy a CNC palsma table machine and i was recived some good quotation of diferent chinese manufacturer, i would like know the expierence of people whist cnc plasma machine made in China. and if recomended especific model or company.

Any answer will be apreciated.

Mark

[magma-joe]

Chinese = JUNK !!!!!!!!!
Chinese = NO PARTS!!!!!!
Chinese = NO TECH SUPPORT!!!!!!!

BUY AMERICAN MADE DYNATORCH OR TORCHMATE

[cutterzc]

Hello:

I need buy a CNC palsma table machine and i was recived some good quotation of diferent chinese manufacturer, i would like know the expierence of people whist cnc plasma machine made in China. and if recomended especific model or company.

Any answer will be apreciated.

Mark

Hello Mark, I know some good table cnc machine made in China. What's the cutting range and thickness of the plate up to? You can reply me directly or send email to my address: [email protected]

[cutterzc]

Chinese = JUNK !!!!!!!!!
Chinese = NO PARTS!!!!!!
Chinese = NO TECH SUPPORT!!!!!!!

BUY AMERICAN MADE DYNATORCH OR TORCHMATE

Nonsense!! I think you are not familiar with China.

[magma-joe]

I live in the UNITED STATES how could I NOT be familiar with Chinese Products? Like many Americans I have wasted a great deal of money on Chinese products. What is your company name? Do you have a booth at the current Fabtec show?

[cutterzc]

I live in the UNITED STATES how could I NOT be familiar with Chinese Products? Like many Americans I have wasted a great deal of money on Chinese products. What is your company name? Do you have a booth at the current Fabtec show?

I am Kevin from LanSun Technology which leading products are cnc cutting machine. We always enter ESSEN WELDING SHOW IN CHINA.

The quality of Chinese products become better, and not all Chinese products are bad.

I hope you give up your prejudice to Chinese:-)

[rldmachine]

Go home to china and stay where you belong chinise products are JUNK

[307startup]

Boy that will teach them. Someday soon, the Chinese will no longer want to buy American products, because they too will be considered junk, and their view of Americans will have become dismal. Way to cement the loss of the middle class with your prejudiced opinion. Without manufacturing and EXPORTS of our manufactured goods, the middle class will evaporate. Will your American neighbors buy enough of your US made goods to keep your job? Or will you likely NEED to sell your US made goods to developing nations like China or India to maintain your current lifestyle? Just something for you to chew on, before you go off half-cocked and half-baked. Oh, and utilize your computer's spell-check function so that you don't embarrass yourself by mis-spelling CHINESE, not CHINISE. Way to represent the ol' Red, White and Blue neighbor

Go home to china and stay where you belong chinise products are JUNK

[plain ol Bill]

The quality of Chinese goods like any others are dependent primarily on what a consumer is willing to spend on them. China can produce top quality goods that will compete with any other country if you are willing to pay the price for them. We have gotten too used to purchasing crap that will not do a proper job and are considered throw away tools. Demand quality and be willing to pay for it and then watch things change.

American smokestack industries are for all intent and purposes GONE. Why - primarily greed of wall street and the never ending heavy pressure to produce tremendous monetary gains for a chosen few. China is an emerging powerful source of goods we all use. Chinese labor has to date been relatively cheap but that day is changing also. Industries are starting to rethink offshore manufacturing.

[cutterzc]

During World War II, our Chinese sacrifice themself to save the U.S. pilots;
Now, PRESIDENT OBAMA is treated as honored guest in China. We Chinese want to be friend with American not enemy.

Here is part of speech by PRESIDENT OBAMA in Shanghai:
"In 1979, trade between the United States and China stood at roughly $5 billion -- today it tops over $400 billion each year. The commerce affects our people's lives in so many ways. America imports from China many of the computer parts we use, the clothes we wear; and we export to China machinery that helps power your industry. This trade could create even more jobs on both sides of the Pacific, while allowing our people to enjoy a better quality of life. "

[kevinliutrade]

Hello:

I need buy a CNC palsma table machine and i was recived some good quotation of diferent chinese manufacturer, i would like know the expierence of people whist cnc plasma machine made in China. and if recomended especific model or company.

Any answer will be apreciated.

Mark

Hello Mark:
This is kevin from Jinan Senfeng Technology Co.,Ltd.We are a manufacture specializing in producing CNC router machine. We can also offer you the plasma cutting machine. We have business on this trade seven years.We can ensure the quality of our products, we can offer you one year warrant for the quality and lifetime maintenance service.If you are interested in our products,pls send your requirements to me:[email protected]. I will send the specific information of our machine to you for your reference.

[slammedxonair]

so you're the one that was sending my email addy spam..... They do have vendor fees to advertise on this site.

[magma-joe]

No one is attacking Chinese people. The subject is a Chinese products and the products speaks for themselves. I have spent thousands of dollars on Chinese products and in many cases they are the only products on the shelf. So don't waste you breath telling me about Chinese product quality.

307startup,
Your right, some day the Chinese will no longer need our products. It won't be because we offended them, the reason for this is because they will have copied our products and will be making their own to sell back to to us cheaper than we can make them. Why do you think they are lurking in the back ground on this forum? They are quietly gathering information to modify or produce their next product. I still remember when Bill Clinton gave China the MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS. The path the United States is on has become quite clear since then. When you can compete with people earning a few dollars a day then you can say you have job security. Until then its only a matter of time before they no longer buy any of our US made products.

[307startup]

So you propose what exactly? Isolationism? Protectionism?

I simply choose to out-wit them AND out-work them...then sell to them. Lower profits per product, but more volume. I don't have the UAW mentality...I don't expect somebody else to pay me a ridiculous salary and provide outrageous health and retirement benefits while I screw the same bolt & nut together for 30 years on an assembly line.

WE are our own greatest enemy. Laziness, a false sense of entitlement, and the inability/unwillingness to engage our fellow human beings at a level of competency and competitiveness. If we are so wonderful, simply by the grace of being born US citizens, then God will provide for us and we won't have to do this. Otherwise...we will have to face the reality of actually competing with and overcoming the Chinese and Indians on a global market. And you cannot do this by insulting them. Just by good ol' fashioned hard work and intelligence.

No one is attacking Chinese people. The subject is a Chinese products and the products speaks for themselves. I have spent thousands of dollars on Chinese products and in many cases they are the only products on the shelf. So don't waste you breath telling me about Chinese product quality.

307startup,
Your right, some day the Chinese will no longer need our products. It won't be because we offended them, the reason for this is because they will have copied our products and will be making their own to sell back to to us cheaper than we can make them. Why do you think they are lurking in the back ground on this forum? They are quietly gathering information to modify or produce their next product. I still remember when Bill Clinton gave China the MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS. The path the United States is on has become quite clear since then. When you can compete with people earning a few dollars a day then you can say you have job security. Until then its only a matter of time before they no longer buy any of our US made products.

[jimcolt]

In reality...the Chinese produce some great products.....most of the best industrial equipment stays in or near China as they have the same issues with logistics and shipping costs that the rest of the equipment producers in the world have. If you produce high end equipment..it costs more (labor is only part of the equation).....and the landed price added to shipping works out to very very close on good quality equipment regardless of where it is produced.

The Chinese equipment that many have a bad taste for in the US , as well as other parts of the world however...is generally extremely low cost equipment that is designed to be built very inexpensively.....and often does a job...but will have issues with reliability and long term parts and service availability. We, as bargain hunters, have created the market for this type of equipment (open up the Harbor Freigh catalog and just take a look!), and the Chinese have willingly provided the product for the market! There definitely seems to be a need for welders that sell for 1/4 to 1/3 the price of higher quality, well known brand name welders....and the same goes for plasm cutters and cnc cutting machines and many other pieces of equipment. I have bought a few low cost imports myself.

I think back to my younger years.....and how I wanted so bad to have equipment in my home shop, yet I looked at my kids and wife....and realized they wanted food and shoes and education....so the equipment in the shop had to wait until I could afford it. If I was in my early 20's right now....I suspect I would have some low cost import metal fabricating equipment...because it is available, and I could afford it. That is the market niche....and the low cost import equipment is filling it well.

I have good quality domestic equipment in my shop now...the kids are off on their own...the wife still claims to need shoes though. Occasionally I buy a piece of low cost import equipment...however I include its cost in the particualr job that I need it for.....and consider it paid for and used up....so if it still works after the first job it is a bonus! I would be leery of buying something as complex as a cnc cutting machine.....or a combination mig/tig/plasma however....as there is very little in the form of after the purchase support, the documentation that comes with this type of equipment is poor at best...and when it breaks....it probably needs to be sent back to the supplier at your cost.

My two cents...


Jim

[WSS]

So you propose what exactly? Isolationism? Protectionism?

I simply choose to out-wit them AND out-work them...then sell to them. Lower profits per product, but more volume. I don't have the UAW mentality...I don't expect somebody else to pay me a ridiculous salary and provide outrageous health and retirement benefits while I screw the same bolt & nut together for 30 years on an assembly line.

WE are our own greatest enemy. Laziness, a false sense of entitlement, and the inability/unwillingness to engage our fellow human beings at a level of competency and competitiveness. If we are so wonderful, simply by the grace of being born US citizens, then God will provide for us and we won't have to do this. Otherwise...we will have to face the reality of actually competing with and overcoming the Chinese and Indians on a global market. And you cannot do this by insulting them. Just by good ol' fashioned hard work and intelligence.

I do not think anyone is proposing anything like you are suggesting. You may think people here on this forum are lazy and prone to accepting entitlements, but I believe most are very motivated individuals who can provide for themselves. Read some of the threads here you will find "good ol' fashioned hard work and intelligence".

WSS

[307startup]

Then YOU haven't been paying attention to the ignorant tripe being passed around as opinion in many postings in this forum.

Too many people on this forum have been talking about being too good to work for $X/hour, or all Chinese/Indian/Taiwanese goods are junk, or the demand for this, that & the other benefits for something as simple as pushing a button because they spent 6 months at a community college "larnin' " CNC.

Most Americans ARE lazy, entitled, whiny spineless snipe...I know, having been born here, living all over the world, and being in the military for 8 years. They will whine, mewl and drool for someone, ANYONE else to do the hard lifting...all so they can continue on with their lazy, soft existence. This is not to say that many Europeans aren't the same way.

Don't preach to me and hold up the average American citizen as an intelligent, hard-working individual. This country is now filled with socialist-welfare parasites, willing to push others in front of the bus, to avoid being pushed there themselves.

They created the atmosphere of the burst credit bubble, over-inflated real estate prices (caused by the home equity credit crunch...to buy toys they don't need...because they are lazy and entitled), the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs and the almost complete destruction of the middle class thanks to their greed...all because the average American actually thinks they can get something for nothing...they buy penny-stocks and demand huge ROI...not realizing they are draining one pocket to fill the other.

Read the post, and all the subsequent posts before you chime in. Don't be so magnanimous and give EVERY CNCZone member the same credit that should be bestowed upon the few, rare minds that are so enjoyable here. Most people couldn't find their ass with both hands & a committee funded by Congress, equipped with GPS to guide them.

I do not think anyone is proposing anything like you are suggesting. You may think people here on this forum are lazy and prone to accepting entitlements, but I believe most are very motivated individuals who can provide for themselves. Read some of the threads here you will find "good ol' fashioned hard work and intelligence".
WSS

[jimcolt]

307,

Perhaps you should come take a tour of Hypertherm in Hanover NH, USA before you say all Americans are whiners.There is no whining........we produce plasma cutters here in the USA that are of the highest quality.....our largest growing market for the last 5 or so years has been China and other parts of Asia. While business slowed during the economic situataion......we did not lay off a single worker....and we all worked extra hard to increase our competitiveness during the downturn. We simply are not interested in building lower quality in order to hit the lowest priced market......I invite you to NH for a tour.....you will soften your stance a bit.

Jim Colt

[magma-joe]

307startup, Perhaps if Americans bought their own products we would'nt have to worry about the Chinese buying them.



Jim, well said;
From first hand experience with Hypertherm products I find them to cost less over the long haul than any Chinese products could.

1. Higher quality = longer lasting
2. Readily available consumables
3. Readily availible parts or repair
4. Tech support just a phone call away
5. Resale value is high
6. An internet representative to answer any questions users might have
7. Hypertherm is an American co with American workers
8. Hypertherm offers a real life warranty that will be honored if needed

Chinese machine;

1. zero support
2. parts availability = slow boat from China if any
3. comsumables = ?
4. repair = cheaper to buy another one
5. Resale value = from poor to next to nothing
6. No internet support / manufacturer website in Chinese / customer never knows who really made the product
7. Chinese company supporting Chinese workers with American distributors only interested in skimming a profit from sale
8. Warranty? Have you ever tried to get your made in China product warrantied?

I say its time for Americans to wake up and start supporting America before its to late. We need to clean out Wall Street and vote out all the bums who are so intent on giving away our country and sending us the bill.

[WSS]

This is fun...

Then YOU haven't been paying attention to the ignorant tripe being passed around as opinion in many postings in this forum.

By YOU, I assume you mean me? Then you are correct. I read what is important to ME or has value to ME. I'll give you a hint: I'm a capitalist (what's in it for me?). YOU are welcome to read the tripe.

Too many people on this forum have been talking about being too good to work for $X/hour, or all Chinese/Indian/Taiwanese goods are junk, or the demand for this, that & the other benefits for something as simple as pushing a button because they spent 6 months at a community college "larnin' " CNC.

I am one of them. I hate work. In fact I like to get others to make money for me. "larnin"? I think your spell check is off now. BTW: I have only had two hours training for CNC shape cutting. Regarding the junk, if you have good stuff from them, let me know what it is and we can buy a boat load of it and sell to the socialists here in the U.S.......(again, capitalist)

Most Americans ARE lazy, entitled, whiny spineless snipe...I know, having been born here, living all over the world, and being in the military for 8 years. They will whine, mewl and drool for someone, ANYONE else to do the hard lifting...all so they can continue on with their lazy, soft existence. This is not to say that many Europeans aren't the same way.

Your experience certainly qualifies you to criticize your fellow Americans.

Don't preach to me and hold up the average American citizen as an intelligent, hard-working individual. This country is now filled with socialist-welfare parasites, willing to push others in front of the bus, to avoid being pushed there themselves.

I don't preach, not here anyway. I am speaking for the CNCzone users that
I have communicated with. They are not average. They are above average, I am one of them.

They created the atmosphere of the burst credit bubble, over-inflated real estate prices (caused by the home equity credit crunch...to buy toys they don't need...because they are lazy and entitled), the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs and the almost complete destruction of the middle class thanks to their greed...all because the average American actually thinks they can get something for nothing...they buy penny-stocks and demand huge ROI...not realizing they are draining one pocket to fill the other.

Buy now! Swoop in and take it from them before the banks get it. The only toy I purchased was a shiny new DynaTorch CNC cutting machine (did I actually call it a toy? I meant tool). Yes Americans are greedy, but envy caused most of the trouble. As depressed as it seems, there was a lot of money made in the last swing. It will be back when the government gets it's nose out of it.

Read the post, and all the subsequent posts before you chime in. Don't be so magnanimous and give EVERY CNCZone member the same credit that should be bestowed upon the few, rare minds that are so enjoyable here. Most people couldn't find their ass with both hands & a committee funded by Congress, equipped with GPS to guide them.

Sorry, your post stuck out like a sore thumb. I never used the word "EVERY", I used words like "most" and "some". I would suggest that you stick with the threads that have posts by "the few, rare minds that are so enjoyable here". This way you won't be distracted by the people here on the Zone that you are describing in the last paragraph.

Have a Wonderful Thanksgiving!
WSS