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  1. #1
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    Erratic behavior from Bridgeport Series 1 Mk2 with TNC155

    Hello everyone. I would first like to thank you again for helping me with my last problem. I am VERY new to CNC programming. I have written 4 simple programs so far and am starting to get the hang of the TNC155 control. My problem is that after I ran my latest program on a block of wood I decided to try it on some aluminum. After starting the program it looked good at first and then started on a totally random pattern. I stopped the machine, lowered the table, and started the program over deciding this time to only cut my pattern .002 deep just to check it. This time it followed the pattern as it should so I lowered my Z down a little more and tried again. Then it did the random pattern again. I lowered my table and tried the program 2 more times and it did different things each time. A couple times it gave me an error stating my tool radius is too large. I then powered off the machine for 10 minutes and restarted it. This time it ran my program as it should. I then raised the table and hit the start again and got another random pattern. At no time during any of this did I ever change the actual program. I only raised and lowered the table by hand. Any ideas?

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    I have seen older BOSS machines "hunt" for a start point if cutter comp math was not correct. Perhaps the TNC is doing the same thing.

    George
    (Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)

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    How could I check that? I am really new to all this so please bear with me. Thanks

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    This has no relation to boss machines.

    I am reasonably sure there is nothing random going on.

    post your code

    If you are working in tool comp, the starting position of the tool relative to the work becomes important. IOW, always start a program with a non tool comp move to a known point[IE X2 Y2 Z1 R0 F2000] If you are using datum shifts always start with a datum shift to zero so you don't start in the wrong location

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    Everytime you run your programm again you should load it in the automatic mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKR View Post
    Everytime you run your programm again you should load it in the automatic mode.
    Thanks for the suggestions. The machine isn't at my house so I won't be able to try it until this weekend. What do you mean by the above quote? Can I not just push the start button to run the program again? What is automatic mode?

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    I have an ycm-40 supermax with tnc155b control. Every time I run the same programm again I have to select the programm in the programm list and then run it by pushing the start button.(in full automatic mode)

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    Also - could anyone tell me the cheapest way to get the Z axis to move at the same time as X and Y? Thanks

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    It seem that from your description, the problem does not exist with a .002 deep cut, (low electrical load on the drive), but occurs only at a deeper cut, (heavier electrical load on the drives). It sounds like maybe the resultant load on the drive is creating a problem. I would say it's an electrical problem, maybe a setting in the drives. This is where my knowledge falls short, maybe someone can expand on this.

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    You should be able to program z axis in your program with x and y,I think the other member means to start your program in full sequence mode and not in manual mode .this means if you run in full sequence once you push the green button the program continues on its own where as manual mode you have to push the green button to make the machine move on each line of the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gus View Post
    This has no relation to boss machines.

    I am reasonably sure there is nothing random going on.

    post your code

    If you are working in tool comp, the starting position of the tool relative to the work becomes important. IOW, always start a program with a non tool comp move to a known point[IE X2 Y2 Z1 R0 F2000] If you are using datum shifts always start with a datum shift to zero so you don't start in the wrong location
    Yes, you are correct. It isn't random as I thought. I will have to get the code and post it so you can tell me where i messed up. It appears to run the first couple lines fine. They are straight lines with no tool comp. Then when asked to do the first arc it comes to, it decides to make a counterclockwise circle at the arc endpoint instead of making the arc. I am using the CT command as explained in the manual but it just doesn't seem to work for me.

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    Some times its easier to use the cr function with a circle centre but you should be able to use the ct function provided its set up correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg b View Post
    Some times its easier to use the cr function with a circle centre but you should be able to use the ct function provided its set up correct.
    I wish I had the entire program here to show you but I am missing the beginning part and that is the part I believe is messed up. Maybe you could explain more on how I could set it up correctly. Here is the part I have here:

    L X0,Y0,Z0 R500
    L X3.011,Y.788 R500 M03
    L Z -.4 R10
    CT X2.529,Y.827 R50
    CT X1.041,Y1.1317
    CT X.441,Y1.631
    CT X.932,Y2.295
    CT X4.552,Y1.789
    CT X6.946,Y2.287
    L X10.565,Y2.287
    CT X12.411,Y2.946
    CT X13.484,Y3.179
    CT X15.787,Y2.622
    L X15.787,Y1.378
    CT X13.105,Y.788
    L X3.011,Y.788
    L Z .1 R500 M05

    As you can see I am really new to this so please bear with me. I am very thankful for all the help I have gotten from here. I am missing the tool def and tool call. I am using a 3/4" HSS end mill cutting aluminum.

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    tnc 155

    Hi guys surely the 155 has graphical simulation it would be better to run this before attempting to cut metal particularly if your not used to programming, although somewhat crude by todays standards it will allow you to slice and zoom in on the area of concern. And you can watch your part being machined without fear. And of course you can send this to a printer if need be. If this has been enabled in the machine parameters.

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    re

    I thought I had responded to this already.....must be only in my mind.


    I do not believe you can transition on an arc from Z to an XY plane. It can be done but not this way. The arc must be described between 2 2 axis moves that are in the same plane

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