[rocket67]

Gday everyone, I have been lurking here for a long time trying to learn about cnc routers for woodworking.

We have a small family business in Adelaide ( nthn suburb ) and currently outsource our router work. But we are increasing our business volume and feel that we now need to do this ourselves in order to control our work flow.

Problem is that we know very little about cnc. Fortunately, we have a very good work crew and believe that we can learn very quickly once we have a cnc router.


The quotes that we have obtained for the router are only adding to our confusion. E.G. Aussie built router $119,000. USA Techno router $53,000. Chinese router $32,000. After searching the cnc zone for the last 10 months we have come to the conclusion that the Chinese machine should do the job quite well.

The machine is called EXCITECH and is made by sh-cnc. Model SHM 1530B
The specifications seem to be very good. Table size is 1.5 x 3.0. 5kw HSD spindle, Auto tool changer for 6 tools, Becker vacuum pump.

The supplied software is"type 3" ? From what i have learned so far i believe that we will use Mach 3 and V CARVE PRO.

The only reason that we have not yet ordered this machine is the fact that we will have no service back up. So here is the question -

Are there any qualified CNC router experts located in Adelaide who could assist us in setting up this machine, teach us how to use it, and maintain
it? We will of course pay the going rate.

Thanks. ROCKET.

[ger21]

I'd recommend spending some time and learning about what software you need, and learn how to use it, and how the whole process works, before you spend a dime on the router. Especially if you want to buy a machine with no instructions and no support. Trying to learn both software and machine at one time may be a daunting task.

What type of work do you plan on doing with this router?

[rocket67]

Hi Gerry, Yes - I know that we are embarking upon a " daunting " task.



We would like to be able to buy the " local " machine with service back up
but cannot justify spending $119,000 for the privelidge.

As i stated, i have been reading posts about machines and software since
the start of this year and i have concluded that the Excitech machine will be more than adequate for our needs.

I have looked at many software packages and i believe that V Carve Pro will do the job very well.



We will not proceed with the purchase until we can find a very experienced person to assist us.

Thanks. Rocket.

[rocket67]

We have purchased and taken delivery of our Excitech cnc Router

The all up delivered cost of our machine was $20,000 and we consider it a bargain.

Due to our inexperience in cnc we bought a lower specification machine which does not have the auto tool changer.

If any person who reads this thread would like to know more about our machine you can either pm me or read the main thread about this machine which is located in the commercial wood router section of this forum.

Rocket.

[SyS-e]

I'm the Agent now for Excite CNC Routers from SH-CHCH Company China. I have quite a few of theor models on my website www.sysleaser.com. My prices are very reasonable, and I arrange a direct to your door delivery without any hassles.

Hi Gerry, Yes - I know that we are embarking upon a " daunting " task.



We would like to be able to buy the " local " machine with service back up
but cannot justify spending $119,000 for the privelidge.

As i stated, i have been reading posts about machines and software since
the start of this year and i have concluded that the Excitech machine will be more than adequate for our needs.

I have looked at many software packages and i believe that V Carve Pro will do the job very well.



We will not proceed with the purchase until we can find a very experienced person to assist us.

Thanks. Rocket.

[rocket67]

Congratulations to you. As an existing owner i am thrilled to bits with our Excitech Router.
There are not a lot of these in Australia at the moment and i wish you every success in your efforts to introduce them into our market.
In our search for a cnc Router i was amazed at the lack of availability in Australia. The USA have a thriving cnc Router industry. Why are we lagging behind in Aust/ New Zealand?
Last year we attended the Working with Wood exhibition in Hobart. Our sole purpose was to see some cnc Routers in operation, but there was not one cnc Router there! A prime marketing opportunity! Every cabinetmaker in our countries need one but not one in sight. I hope that you intend to rectify this.
I believe that you have chosen just the right brand of machine.
Excitech is great!

Rocket.

[SyS-e]

I would be happy to import a 1530 for you. SH-CNC just came out with a newer model that has a 6 head ATC and vacuum table and debris extraction (SHMS1530D). This is a huge machine and is shipped partially disassebled in a 20' container.

I would be happy to import this unit for you, and arrive at your location on the day of delivery to you set it up, and get it all going, and show you how to make it work.

My standard margin is 25% for a direct shipment without setup and installation. I think a margin of 40% plus my travel and accommodation would be a fair arrangement. You would also need to organnise a forklift with a boom attachent for the day. If you think this is a fair arrangment, contact me through my website and use the Fast Quote System, and I'll respond with a PERFORMA Invoice including delivery to your door, customs and GST.

www.syselaser.com

[Jimmy007]

I would be happy to import a 1530 for you. SH-CNC just came out with a newer model that has a 6 head ATC and vacuum table and debris extraction (SHMS1530D). This is a huge machine and is shipped partially disassebled in a 20' container.

I would be happy to import this unit for you, and arrive at your location on the day of delivery to you set it up, and get it all going, and show you how to make it work.

My standard margin is 25% for a direct shipment without setup and installation. I think a margin of 40% plus my travel and accommodation would be a fair arrangement. You would also need to organnise a forklift with a boom attachent for the day. If you think this is a fair arrangment, contact me through my website and use the Fast Quote System, and I'll respond with a PERFORMA Invoice including delivery to your door, customs and GST.

www.syselaser.com

A couple of suggestions...

1) Read the forum rules. I am sure the CNCZone site owner would require that you seek his permissoin prior to seeking to solicit business leads here.

2) Learn how to spell the trade name for the business you purport to represent.

I wish you every success in your business. I would think 25% margin as a drop shipper is a bit rude though- many here have already found that direct deals with the factory are hassle free so I am unsure what value would be gained in flicking you a lazy 25% for no good reason.

[rocket67]

A couple of suggestions...

1) Read the forum rules. I am sure the CNCZone site owner would require that you seek his permissoin prior to seeking to solicit business leads here.

2) Learn how to spell the trade name for the business you purport to represent.

I wish you every success in your business. I would think 25% margin as a drop shipper is a bit rude though- many here have already found that direct deals with the factory are hassle free so I am unsure what value would be gained in flicking you a lazy 25% for no good reason.

Jimmy, I was both surprised and disappointed at these margins!
While i applaud people who show the courage to begin a new business enterprise i believe that it is first necessary to acquire the people skills required to deal with the general public in such a way as to make friends and business contacts along the way.
SyS-e has succeeded in alienating myself from him. Perhaps this was unintentional on his part.

Rocket.

[Jimmy007]

The margins may be fine.....

Thing is we don't know what is offered by way of value.

If SyS-e comes to you for his 40% on cost and gets you up and running it may be money well spent, $5k for a turn key solution is probably good value for a great number of people- having gone through the process myself it was more than $5k at my charge out rates in time to get running with my machine.

The part that amused me was the 25% 'margin' for what is likely a drop ship- no added value there most likely. We all know the Chinese will happily send the machines direct with no issue.

The 25% may be ok if Sys-e had machines in stock that he could demonstrate to potential customers and supply. My point was simply that a business model that provides for clients paying you for something that they can easily get without the cost is likely a little flawed.

Maybe SyS-e beleives the so called agent rights provide that the manufacturer will not supply direct into his patch. My experience has been that when all said and done the Chinese manufacturers want our money so will usually supply direct no matter what the arrangements. I suspect that is the main reason local distributers re badge product- biggest problem they face is that prospective buyers do all the research with them then order direct to avoid the 'margin'.

Jimmy, I was both surprised and disappointed at these margins!
While i applaud people who show the courage to begin a new business enterprise i believe that it is first necessary to acquire the people skills required to deal with the general public in such a way as to make friends and business contacts along the way.
SyS-e has succeeded in alienating myself from him. Perhaps this was unintentional on his part.

Rocket.