[Rekd]

Leading climate change experts have thrown their weight behind two scientists who hit out at the "Hollywoodisation" of global warming.

Professors Paul Hardaker and Chris Collier, both Royal Meteorological Society figures, criticised fellow scientists they accuse of "overplaying" the message.

The pair spoke at a conference in Oxford today entitled Making Sense of Weather and Climate and organised by Sense about Science, a scientific trust set up to help dispel the myths surrounding polemic issues such as climate change.

In the mean time, another challenge has been made to Al Gore to debate Global Warming, with the question:

That our effect on climate is not dangerous

by The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher

Anyone want to bet me that Gore refuses to debate this? I've heard he's already been challenged to debates on similar subjects and refuses to debate them.

I wonder why. (nuts)

[Geof]

....Anyone want to bet me that Gore refuses to debate this? I've heard he's already been challenged to debates on similar subjects and refuses to debate them.

I wonder why. (nuts)

Probably because he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Or maybe this was a rhetorical question .

[Rekd]

Or maybe this was a rhetorical question .

[fizzissist]

Steve Milloy invited Gore....and at the top of his website is a running clock.
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"Does Al Gore really believe in catastrophic global warming?"

"Since Al Gore was offered the opportunity (in person) to facilitate serious debate on the underlying science of global climate change, 1 year, 2 months, 2 weeks, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds have elapsed."

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That was as of March 19, 2007, 11:38am.

Gore hisself stated that he talks about global warming in lay terms....because that's what he understands.

[alexccmeister]

Well, there are always going to be two type of people. One that says global warming is happening and lets do something about it. And one that says no, its a load of bull and when it finally happens, oop! Lets do something about it. Which one would you prefer to be?

What's with this fixation on Al Gore? I bet people wouldn't have so much to argue about if the idea about global warming was highlighted further by say the POPE or someone at least everyone like.

I don't think the non supporters are really disagreeing about global warming. More with the fact that they don't like Al Gore. Am I right?

[Madclicker]

Well, there are always going to be two type of people. One that says global warming is happening and lets do something about it. And one that says no, its a load of bull and when it finally happens, oop! Lets do something about it. Which one would you prefer to be?

I'll be a third kind of person that needs real proof that it's happening and that there's anything that can be done about it.

I don't think the non supporters are really disagreeing about global warming. More with the fact that they don't like Al Gore. Am I right?

I disagree that global warming is happening and I don't like Al Bore.

[Rekd]

Well, there are always going to be two type of people. One that says global warming is happening and lets do something about it. And one that says no, its a load of bull and when it finally happens, oop! Lets do something about it. Which one would you prefer to be?

What's with this fixation on Al Gore? I bet people wouldn't have so much to argue about if the idea about global warming was highlighted further by say the POPE or someone at least everyone like.

I don't think the non supporters are really disagreeing about global warming. More with the fact that they don't like Al Gore. Am I right?

There are three types. The two that you said, and those (the majority?) like me that believe it IS happening, but are questioning the cause. Many (most?) don't believe it's humans being the bulk of the cause.

And we don't like al gore because he's a hypocrite and/or a fear mongering liar.

[dufas]

Leading Climate Change Experts Blame Hollywood for Spreading False Fears

Hollywood has been doing this for years. They climb on whatever bandwagon that comes down the road and without thinking things through, will announce some idiotic pronouncement or solution to the day's perceived problem without thinking of the possible results.

My question would be, what if they made a movie and no one paid to watch it ??

Hollywood elitists have announced that they want a $5.00 tax on a gallon of fuel. Hollywood elitists have wanted boycotts of businesses and industries that they don't 'feel' should exist. When Hollywood gets their wish and no one can afford to watch their movies, who do you think they will blame?

Except for the blockbuster flicks, most of the movies have poor boxoffice receipts. They will try to blame the pirates but in reality, most of the movie going public is being more frugal with their money and not going to every movie that comes out of the Hollywood grist mill. Like most liberals, they will end up cutting their nose off despite their face.

[fizzissist]

My question would be, what if they made a movie and no one paid to watch it ??

Hollywood elitists have announced that they want a $5.00 tax on a gallon of fuel. Hollywood elitists have wanted boycotts of businesses and industries that they don't 'feel' should exist. When Hollywood gets their wish and no one can afford to watch their movies, who do you think they will blame?

Except for the blockbuster flicks, most of the movies have poor boxoffice receipts. They will try to blame the pirates but in reality, most of the movie going public is being more frugal with their money and not going to every movie that comes out of the Hollywood grist mill. Like most liberals, they will end up cutting their nose off despite their face.

Hollywood is probably one of the single most hypocritical industries in existence. John Woo is anti-gun, yet his fortune is built on shoot-'em-up movies.

How many movies have you seen where some AGW blustering actor is in a movie that blows up countless thousands of cu ft of natural gas, or gasoline for the special effects, spewing the very CO2 they scream about.

$5/gal tax? For them, no problem. They use their credit card at the pump, and their managers pay the bill.

Like Brad Pitt is gonna give a (insert fecal reference here) if the fuel bill is an extra $10,000 for his charter jet? Not likely.

I know Hollywood all too intimately to have any respect for them.

Hollywood's CO2 output has been written about at length before, and maybe should be again.

Global warming...it's ok...it's in the name of entertainment.

[martinw]

Global warming...it's ok...it's in the name of entertainment.

Dear fizzissist,

Well, Hollywood had me, and the rest of the audience, howling with laughter at a few points in "The Day after Tomorrow".

Did the Director get lobbed a few million and a Nobel Peace Prize?... or did he win a comedy award? Is there no justice?

Best wishes,

Martin

[Mark L. MN]

I have been hearing from both camps. And all to often the people screaming the loudest about global warming are the most rabid that only human activity is the sole cause and force. But I have been hearing that there maybe other forces at work here, that are possibly being considered properly. There is points of fact I have to keep remembering and pointing out. That the Sahara desert was not as big as it is now. That scientist have found evidence that the great plains were deserts several times in the past. Glaciers do grow and shrink over time. The poles haven't always been covered in ice.

There is much to concider and think about. Carefully, with out going over the edge with out proper reason.

[alexccmeister]

I have been hearing from both camps. And all to often the people screaming the loudest about global warming are the most rabid that only human activity is the sole cause and force. But I have been hearing that there maybe other forces at work here, that are possibly being considered properly. There is points of fact I have to keep remembering and pointing out. That the Sahara desert was not as big as it is now. That scientist have found evidence that the great plains were deserts several times in the past. Glaciers do grow and shrink over time. The poles haven't always been covered in ice.

There is much to concider and think about. Carefully, with out going over the edge with out proper reason.

I think by the time we finish pondering over this possible calamity, majority of the human race would be wiped out.

What you are saying is that since earth itself has a fair share of environmentally detrimental activities, we should just keep going on the way we did.

It may well be the earth cycling tru climate changes. But going the way we do isn't going to help at all.

As the saying goes, if you keep going in a straight line without changing direction, you will end up where you are headed. And I am pretty sure where we are headed.

[Madclicker]

I think by the time we finish pondering over this possible calamity, majority of the human race would be wiped out.

What you are saying is that since earth itself has a fair share of environmentally detrimental activities, we should just keep going on the way we did.

It may well be the earth cycling tru climate changes. But going the way we do isn't going to help at all.

As the saying goes, if you keep going in a straight line without changing direction, you will end up where you are headed. And I am pretty sure where we are headed.

Get a grip, alex. The human race will be fine. Don't let the scare mongers scare you silly.

I can't believe they have people believing that micro-managing the small amount of CO2 that humans contribute will steer the global climate. Just amazes me how gullible the herd is.

[alexccmeister]

Get a grip, alex. The human race will be fine. Don't let the scare mongers scare you silly.

I can't believe they have people believing that micro-managing the small amount of CO2 that humans contribute will steer the global climate. Just amazes me how gullible the herd is.

Hi Madclicker,

I think you got me wrong from the way I posted. I may have sounded abit over dramatic. But you are right, I am concern about global warming and I do believe its happening. And I don't believe the use of fossil fuel the way we do is micro.

Try living in the equatorial region and you will feel the difference. The monsoon season has changed somewhat. And there are alot of other indications which I have to say people living in the northern hemisphere won't feel or know about simply because they are living in a cold country. I think by the time people in the north starts to feel the difference, the equatorial region may not be a comfortable place to live in. Imagine how many people will be affected?

[Caprirs]

Try living in the equatorial region and you will feel the difference. The monsoon season has changed somewhat.

Not trying to be a jerk, but is the weather the same every single year with no variation? How much does the weather change over the course of a few years? Or decades? Or centuries? How much variation is considered normal? Without knowing the data, it's very difficult to conclude that the current change is "bad".

Further, now that you have electricity, television, good hospitals, plenty of food, and clean water, you expect under-developed countries in Asia and Africa to be deprived of these basic necessities because they would contribute to global warming. Those countries will have to keep suffering the high mortality rates due to famine and disease because they will be barred from developing infrastructure and machinery to save lives.

[alexccmeister]

Hi Geof,

Brunei's a tiny country so I can't blame you for not being able to find it.

Anyway, did you ever figure out what the reason might be for your experience regarding the snow behind your house? Or has the snow depth returned to normal?

[Geof]

Hi Geof,

Brunei's a tiny country so I can't blame you for not being able to find it.

Anyway, did you ever figure out what the reason might be for your experience regarding the snow behind your house? Or has the snow depth returned to normal?

Notice the way I phrased it:"...snowfalls that used to come up to my waist now barely get past my knees...."

The reason personal remembrances are not a valid basis for comparison is that the baseline shifts; people grow, so what seemed like big hills and lots of snow to a younger and smaller me no longer seems the same from a different and taller perspective.

Which is why I made the comment about not making fun; memory is very fallible. This is why it is necessary to have a definitive record from weather observations or to look at natural records such as tree rings.

Weather can cycle dramatically over a few years or tens of years. El Nino events are something that can influence rainfall patterns even in your area. Approximately ten years ago there was a strong El Nino fluctuation so it is not particularly surprising if weather patterns in many parts of the earth are different now to what they were ten years ago.

[gus]

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/

some info on global temperature

[alexccmeister]

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/

some info on global temperature

Interesting read.

With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes.

This is an extract from the article written by John Baez, the link above. Enuf said.

[alexccmeister]

I get you now. But I am not sure if they would be the same case as what I have experience. I had an opportunity one time to visit my old school just recently and I was commenting to my friends how small the place felt when compared to the last time we were there studying.

But the weather doesn't just change by virtue of us growing up. In any case, the fact of the matter is that global warming whether it is natural or man made (and I believe we play a major role in this) is happening. It is prudent to think about how we can improve the situation where it is possible. That is if everyone works together. But then its only me talking, just a small ant in a big world.