[kthomson]

For anyone out there considering either building a router or modifying a router with one of the Chinese spindles, I bought a motor with VFD for $523.00 including shipping from China. They advertised 3 to 5 day delivery, but mine actually took 10 days (but still not bad). Here is my recent experience:

1) The motor works great
2) It is much quieter than a router (I was using a 3 1/4 HP Porter Cable)
3) It is still not 'quiet'. The pitch is higher than a router, and my wife finds it more annoying than a router, but I CAN listen to the radio while it is running, which I could NEVER do before.
4) I have the water cooled version, for which I used a fountain motor from HD. I first bought the cheapest one ($18.00), but it couldn't handle the head pressure from 50' of 1/4" poly-tite. I ended up changing to another fountain pump ($39.00) which seems to be working fine. I circulates with no problem and the motor stays cool (room temperature). I mounted a container up on the wall with the pump in it and it is working fine..
5) You can download a pretty complete VFD manual to help set it up, and mine came with instructions for the NECESSARY settings for startup. There are others that need to be changed, and I found the settings online from other users.

If you have any questions or problems getting it set up and working I will be glad to tell you what worked for me.

Ken

All in all, it was a VERY worthwhile upgrade, and I would recommend it to anyone using a router for a spindle.

[Billyisgr8]

which company and is there a link so we can see these?

Thanks

[stk2008]

im looking at getting one of these im after finding out what is the slowest rpm of your spindle?.

cheers

[hemsworthlad]

im looking at getting one of these im after finding out what is the slowest rpm of your spindle?.

cheers

My advice from experience would be to only buy the spindle from china and buy the vfd more local.

My spindle 2.2kw WC is fanstastic and worth every penny, but the vfd's (the clue is in **d's bit) that I experienced left alot to be desired.
Vfd's can be very complicated to setup and understand so a good manuel is a must in my opinion.

The spindle will run as slow as you want but the main meat is between 6000 - 24000rpm.

[eloid]

My advice from experience would be to only buy the spindle from china and buy the vfd more local.

My spindle 2.2kw WC is fanstastic and worth every penny, but the vfd's (the clue is in **d's bit) that I experienced left alot to be desired.
Vfd's can be very complicated to setup and understand so a good manuel is a must in my opinion.

The spindle will run as slow as you want but the main meat is between 6000 - 24000rpm.

who is the manufacteure of your spindle who did you get it from?
what are the spects on the spindle, what bearing are in it? do you have a picture?
what is the weight of the spindle , what was the shipping cost?

[Larken]

im looking at getting one of these im after finding out what is the slowest rpm of your spindle?.

You don't want to run a spindle like that much lower than 6000 rpm, since its designed for light chip load at High rpm.

[hemsworthlad]

who is the manufacteure of your spindle who did you get it from?

Dont know the manufacturer but the supplier was Chai at linearmotionbearings look on ebay.

what are the spects on the spindle, what bearing are in it? do you have a picture?

2.2kw watercooled 220v 3ph 400hz 7.5A dont know what kind of bearings are inside, I havent had it apart yet.
If you want a picture i can sort one for you but to be honest just have a look on his site and you can see it for your self or just look on some of the other posts on here theres plenty about.

what is the weight of the spindle , what was the shipping cost?

To be honest I havent weighed but again i can if you want me too, but i can tell you they are heavy. . . . I would say just about the same as a large-ish router.
The shipping costs will be dependent on where you live in the world, i'm in uk so will be totally differant to us.
The total cost inc shipping for both the vfd and spindle was $485.usd or just a tad over £300.GBP. . . . Which in the Uk is very very cheap the spindle alone would be over £500 and probably more like £600-700 then another £150- 200 for a vfd.

So you see it doesnt really matter what bearings are inside for this money because as soon has i feel it's in need i will replace them with a good quality set and will still not be any were near the price it would have cost me to buy over here in uk.

[ger21]

I think realistically they are good to around 6000-7000 rpm.

[ger21]

Shipping is $75.
http://cgi.ebay.com/a-water-cooled-s...item3a54e351c5

[MyCattMaxx]

The problem besides quality is price. We love spending less.
Years ago I remember 3 American television manufactures (can you name them?)
Why do you think the chinese are doing so well.
They pay horrid labor rates, don't have EPA or OSHA on their ass.
Here the unions have run companies into ruin. I live in a GM town and it used to suck when unskilled monkeys made more than me.

Now I laugh at the unskilled labor that is out of work because they didn't invest for life after GM.

[eloid]

The problem besides quality is price. We love spending less.
Years ago I remember 3 American television manufactures (can you name them?)

dont forget the USA sold the patents right to offshore companies
that why there are no long any big 3 ..... most people didnt even know that!

germany bearing only cost 10 bucks more that in low low quanity ? wtf but the price of spindles go up 150-200 buck ...


Why do you think the chinese are doing so well. CUS Big corporate American inverstors are using 3 world country to get rich fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we still
will get it the pants sooner or later.

They pay horrid labor rates, don't have EPA or OSHA on their ass.
Here the unions have run companies into ruin. I live in a GM town and it used to suck when unskilled monkeys made more than me.

Now I laugh at the unskilled labor that is out of work because they didn't invest for life after GM.

/

[ger21]

I'm sure he has a lot of money invested in those spindles. He has to pay shipping to get them here. He pays taxes on his income. If there's a problem, you return it to him and he takes care of it. Keling is in business to make money.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Not going to happen. Maybe you should buy a container of them and start selling them at your cost. And make sure you have spare parts, proper documentation and long warranties.

About replacement parts for spindles. Good luck replacing bearings or any other parts in an HSD, or Columbo spindle. When the bearings go bad in those, you send them in and pay $1000-$2500 to have them rebuilt. They are not user repairable.

[lgalla]

Gerry I agree and disagree with you.I get it all the time as an OEM for loudspeakers.I give fair prices and joe blows come along and say they can get it cheaper.This is the fault of the distributer,selling to anyone with cash.
When they blow a driver and come to me,I refuse to repair it.
Any who getting back to the agree ,disagree,Keling drop ships a lot of product.They do not have stock and are drop shipped in CA.I could do the same.Make a deal with the Chinese spindle guys,list on E-bay and have them drop ship to the buyer.EZ money.I just read posts to day of the drop shipping.
Larry

[hemsworthlad]

Dont know what your problem is with people making a profit.!! but your out of order with this post buddy.

From what you say i presume you are self employed like me. . . So let me ask you this, Do you sell your goods or services for NO PROFIT, bet not.

Would you like your profit margins and suppliers made available to everybody on a public forum, bet not.

If i was stocking high value items like this and providing a warranty service i would want a sizable return as well, and your $1000 dollar profit margin will probably be more like half that by the time he's payed import duty and taxes and shipping etc.
He will be looking at around a 20-25% profit margin for his $2700 + investment, which isn't a lot when you consider the over heads of running a proper reputable business.

On a last note because i wont be replying to YOU again. . . . If it's the same xingchen company that made the VFD that i recieved from china then good luck to ya because you'll need it.!!

[eloid]

I'm sure he has a lot of money invested in those spindles. He has to pay shipping to get them here. He pays taxes on his income. If there's a problem, you return it to him and he takes care of it. Keling is in business to make money.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Not going to happen. Maybe you should buy a container of them and start selling them at your cost. And make sure you have spare parts, proper documentation and long warranties.

About replacement parts for spindles. Good luck replacing bearings or any other parts in an HSD, or Columbo spindle. When the bearings go bad in those, you send them in and pay $1000-$2500 to have them rebuilt. They are not user repairable.

Ive talk to him ... vender one..."he has no spare parts zero!!!!!!!" , he has no stock of that item..."zero" and you pay for shipping ( no freeeebie')... warranty is up 1 year from manufacture,,, noo favours there "...proper documentation and long warranties "you get only factory warrenty ..
I ask for him for additional setup info ....he doesnt have anything else
doesnt even have a clue how the system works... ...doesnt answer questions technical regarding setup or installation etc...offers no returns. Im tired of vender pretending to giving me higher level of service/ deal... and offer me a so call service which is basically ... go deal with manufacture... thanks i got your money..... and that worth the extra $1027....

everyone pays taxes that life! ,,,,but I expect ... fair pricing.... Like everyone else i dont like to get ripped off!
how much do you think he making on the $ 549 spindle there selling ... what the difference here.... what kind of support is that when you got no spare parts ...he cant send you them the next day, keiling is in the bussiness of taking care of himself frist... bottom line.


If you dont have bearing puller your self and or have "some handy friends " to help you ..... Any intelligent
machine shop can replace a bearing... they will make any tool to remove or install it...

[lgalla]

Like I said,there is no stock,no investement,no parts,no manuals.It is a risk to order direct.Since the Chinese guys will accept direct orders they are not selling anything at the moment and do not need to protect anyone.If you wanted to place a good order I suppose you could ask for a distributership agreement.In the mean time its open season on spindles.

[eloid]

"If it's the same xingchen company that made the VFD that i recieved from china then good luck to ya because you'll need it.!! "

this xingchen make motors only... they dont make vfd controllers


"Would you like your profit margins and suppliers made available to everybody on a public forum, bet not."

It called the freedom of information... world wide web......

"If i was stocking high value items like this and providing a warranty service i would want a sizable return as well, and your $1000 dollar profit margin will probably be more like half that by the time he's payed import duty and taxes and shipping etc. "

But what warranty service, it cover by the manufacture.... you want to make profit .... for a service you dont provide?

Who are you kidding "we" the consumer pay all the import duty and taxes and shipping etc. that price doesnt include and addtional cost it tag on..

He will be looking at around a 20-25% profit margin for his $2700 + investment, which isn't a lot when you consider the over heads of running a proper reputable business. "

More like 100% but hay if you like to pay that much go ahead...

so how much profit is made on the $549 small 1.5kw spindle .... 1000$ LoL

[Larken]

I have a Colombo 5.5Hp 24000 rpm, compressed air cooled, Toolchanging router , New in Stock.
It has (4) balanced ISO25 toolholders . $4500

Compared to those China TC spindles , shes a beauty !
[rant]
BTW, John at Keling is a good guy to deal with. He has to compete with direct sales from china for the same products.

It shows how Desperate the Chinese sellers are to undercut their dealers.

I bought a chinese stepper drive to test it out. They erase all the part#s off the chips so they can't be reverse engineered (not that I care).
But they don't do that because they worry about the US people copying. Its the other Desparate Chinese competition that they are really worried about.

They don't loose any sleep about foreign competition when they have 1.3 billion people and a government who puts productivity first and human rights and the environment a distant second.
[/rant]

Larry K

[lgalla]

Larry its Larry not your brouther,my bro is Darrel and the other Darrel.
I assume that Colombo is an RC-90.I thought they sell for $6,000 US.Is $4,500 your usual selling price?How much CFM is necessary for the drawbar and cooling?Perhaps some of the posters do not realize the need for a relyable air supply.
We cannot compair apples to beans but here is some math on the $2600 spindle.
beans...
Speed: 24000 r/min
Power: 3200 W
Voltage: 220VAC
Current: 8 A
Frequency: 400HZ
Grease Lubrication
Water Cooling
Joint of nose: BT30/45 Degree
Bearing Type: NSK


Watts=AxV 220x8=1760Watts Math has always been a problem for me as you see I calculated half the raiting.
HP=watts/746 1760/746=2.3HP

Apples

Colombo Spindle Rc/Ra90 – ISO25

Type RC (Compressed air cooled) and RA (Liquid Cooled) 90/22 35 FP1 ISO 25 CR PD SF (Automatically ISO25 Tool Clamping)

Power 5,5HP 4Kw 380V. 500Hz. 30000RPM 9,6A 2 Pole

Drawing 25170, equipped with shaft stop sensor, relay CAF 15,

no. 2 sensors Ø 5 PNP and ceramic front bearings

Watts=AxV=9.6x380=3640
HP=Watts/746=4Kw/745=5.3HP
Did I fail in the math?I appears Chinese horses are smaller than NA horses.
Larry is it possible some Chinese spindles are wound with aluinium wire.This would explain the od ball results and why Chinese spindles of the same rating can weigh 8Kg or 16Kg for the same specs.
Have a good year Larry
Larry

[Larken]

Its possibly because 3 phase power uses a different formula ??