Greg B, I meant to ask you a question about your machine in my last post. On your machine does anything work if the hyd. is not on? Such as coolant on or chip conveyor or something else that does not require Hyd. It probably doesn't but I thought I would ask. If it does it would give us a clue. I am use to seeing the words E-stop. But I am not sure if that is just the type of machines that we have in the shop. How do you know if you machine is out estop? How do you know if your machine is in estop. Thanks FanFan