[stevelkneivel]

I'm not talking about total control or gvt monopoly. Although we did have that here before all our utilities were privatised and now you can't get good service or an affordable utility, but that's another story ... Or is it?
Anyway.. What you guys are talking about isn't gvt regulation, it's corruption. And yes, you can control others behaviour. It's called a petition. It's huge in this country at the moment, and the Internet is the greatest tool. We can hold gvt to account to a large degree and get policy changed to reflect the interests of the community. Not in every case obviously, but I think you'd struggle in the States or Russia because the system is so massive, bogged down in paper work and a bit corrupt. Have a look at the socialist capitalism in the north of Europe and you'll see free gun ownership, low crime, high education, great free hospitals and a gvt by and for the people. It's a utopia by comparison to what any of us have, and it's due to a largely transparent gvt that regulates, taxes high, and provided the basic services we all need, like health, shelter and decent plumbing. Also a very compassionate liberal social attitude, I think that runs to the heart of it.
So, yeah, we all want to defend our positions don't we? But which position and which actions will we take that leave the world a healthier, wealthier place for our precious kids?

[stevelkneivel]

The difference with banks is that use our money. When they fail, we lose our money. It's a difficult situation. Our state bank went belly up in the late 80's and it was a disaster for everyone, but it hasn't happened since because of tighter lending criteria etc. I'm not sure what the answer is, but leaving them to it is nuts.

[handlewanker]

LOL, you're only Human after all........and Humans are the only animals that use other animals of their own species to ensure their own well being.

I've never seen any other animal species with a money attitude like the Humans.....somewhere a gene has become dislodged.

The Dynosaurs, for example, existed without any form of money or bartering for approx 250 million years, but since the Humans came down from the trees and have scarcely experienced 3 thousand years of recorded money use........somewhere the plot has gone pear shaped.
Ian.

[dynosor]

Harvard study finds correlation between legal gun ownership and murder rates:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

An inverse correlation!

[handlewanker]

I thought the camp for AGW was a deeply divided one, but now apparently the Harvard guys are getting into the act to promote gun ownership, having vested interests by way of National pride in the Constitution that "guides" all life forms on two legs in the USA.

The part of the Harvard PDF in post #8912 by Dynosor that I found highly amusing was the suggestion that abortion denials to women from the poorer sections of society in the 70's was the largest contributory factor for the reduction in violent underprivileged youth appearing on the streets 20 years later......what a load of hypothetical bunkum, dreamed up by some academics as only a survey and analysis of some parts of a population can achieve.

Every time I see a graph of a survey purporting to indicate a leaning to one side or the other of an emotive issue I know that someone somewhere has a screw loose and is just making hay while the Sun shines, for nothing better to do, and getting paid by the tax payer in the process.

Now we're back to the Climate Change fiasco where, not only is the climate undergoing a periodic change just as it always has, but the suggestion is that the Humans are now greatly assisting it in that change, and all with the technology that occurred in the last 200 years.

Having only been around for a scant 5 or 6 million years in a form that possibly could influence a climate variation, the suggestion that they definitely do is also pure bunkum........notably by some Harvard university scientists who choose to not know better but derive a very comfortable salary expectation in their utterings.
Ian.

[dufas]

Pacific Ocean may be causing a slowdown in global warming | Science Recorder

[dynosor]

Food for thought:

Anarchy - AWESOME Speech - YouTube

[dufas]

Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online

And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year

Almost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013
Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month

[DwightMann]

We owe Al Gore another Peace Prize and a great amount of gratitude.
First he killed "ManBearPig" on South Park, now he saved us from global warming.

[Fastest1]

Don't forget Gore invented the Internet!

[DwightMann]

And without the internet, we would not be able to spread his glory..... or BS

[dufas]

Interesting read.........

The Palpable Politicization Of Science By Global Warming Alarmists - Forbes

The Palpable Politicization Of Science By Global Warming Alarmists

[dufas]

What the Climate Report Concedes | TIME.com

--here are some of the things the IPCC has now conceded:

1-- Global average temperatures did not rise at all for the last 15 years. “Models do not generally reproduce the observed reduction in surface warming trend over the last 10 –15 years.” This was a fact skeptics were vilified for pointing out just two years ago.

2-- Climate sensitivity (the amount of warming likely to be caused eventually, if carbon dioxide levels double) can no longer even be calculated. “No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.” The bottom end of the range of probable climate sensitivity has been lowered, however, from 2 degrees Celsius to 1.5 degrees Celsius, while the top end remains the same: 4.5 degrees Celsius. This broadens the range of possible outcomes—that is, increases the uncertainty.

3-- Transient climate response (the actual warming likely to be experienced by around 2080 if carbon dioxide levels have doubled from pre-industrial levels by that time) is now thought to be less than they thought four years before. It is now thought to be in the range 1 to 2.5 degrees Celsius, rather than 1 to 3 degrees Celsius.

4-- Antarctic sea ice increased, instead of decreasing as predicted: “Most models simulate a small downward trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, albeit with large inter-model spread, in contrast to the small upward trend in observations.” This is awkward. If the models get the Antarctic wrong, then maybe they got the Arctic right by accident.

5-- The big concession is the one the one IPCC cannot quite bring itself to be explicit about: the failure of the models to match reality. The text of the summary released today says: “The long-term climate model simulations show a trend in global-mean surface temperature from 1951 to 2012 that agrees with the observed trend (very high confidence). There are, however, differences between simulated and observed trends over periods as short as 10 to 15 years.” Yet a chart in the draft of its full report, due out on Monday, tells a very different story, of actual temperature measurements over the past 23 years falling below the projections made on each of four previous occasions. Its own chart says, in other words, that it is unlikely that the models are right.

[ifixcnc]

All that boils down to one thing HOAX to get more of your money. Carbon tax anyone?

[cncfixxer]

If you believe History than you have to also agree this makes at least the fifth time Earth has undergone "Global Warming".

There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's past (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo Ice Age and the Quaternary glaciation) Predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now, even in absence of human-made global warming.

Why worry about something that far away ... when in reality Obama may have us all dead before the end of the year?

[dufas]

If you believe History than you have to also agree this makes at least the fifth time Earth has undergone "Global Warming".

There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's past (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo Ice Age and the Quaternary glaciation) Predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now, even in absence of human-made global warming.

Oh come on now...The IPCC, Al Gore, and Micheal Mann have proved beyond any doubt that the world's temperature has been a steady 72 degrees for the last 450 billion years until the invention of the SUV, IMAX, and Dixi-cups. One has to learn how to read a hockey stick in order to hide the decline......

[cncfixxer]

What I find incredible is millions of people are near hysteria because of something that may/may not happen a hundred years from now but are utterly clueless regarding this Nations Survival in the next 5 years

[Bro5eters]

Why worry about something that far away ... when in reality Obama may have us all dead before the end of the year?

[40fordcoupe]

What I find incredible is millions of people are near hysteria because of something that may/may not happen a hundred years from now but are utterly clueless regarding this Nations Survival in the next 5 years

Very good point only I would use the word "sheeple" instead of "people"

[dufas]

Any person who thinks they can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him/her better take a closer look at the American Indian...