Hi. Thanks for responding. Just an update: We put in a offer on a 5 year old VF3 on Friday. It sounds likely to happen from what the sales rep told me. The machine is loaded with options. I will know more in the more with the specific details. I'm concerned on what you said about Bobcad. I bought it when v24 was out for my own personal use with my hobbyist machine. About 1 month ago I upgraded to v24 which is the latest. On Thursday I spoke to a shop 30 min south of us that runs a few Haas machine. He runs an older version of BobCAD. He didn't mention of any issues with it. I've been playing with v27 for a few weeks and creating parts while watching the videos. I actually like it. Fairly easy to use. Mastercam is out of the question.