Wow you guys are all great and I appreciate all the advice and feedback you are giving me. With respect to hobby vs. business the short answer is both. I do want to generate enough to pay off the machine but I have a good job and can afford for that to take some time. I started an embroidery business 3 yrs ago and just now am out of the red (well still technically lost $18 last year). I am viewing this as an investment that I can learn (hobby part) and incorporate products to sell (business part). I guess the real answer is I'd like to eventually use for business products. I am seriously looking at the AKM 1325 CNC Router that Milo mentioned above with new guts and a toll changer. It would get me a new machine with some industrial features for under $10k. Thanks to everyone for all the input.