Thank you Geof, So if i reason this out correctly then moving the fulcrum in to 1" would be 40 times the force to hold, so 40 x 4 would be 160 oz in ? and at 1/90 then it could be 14,400 for use ? I sure i blew it here but it sounds good. I think (bewildered) How about the encoder, would a 1000 line be too much ? 100 to little ? I haven't broken down the units into minuits or seconds of rotation yet, but applying it to the motor ?