1. Really? He shouldn't. Machining is a great occupation.
2. Who said that? I certainly didn't.
3. Sure you do! Every day and to your employer.
4. Somehow you think the rest of the world is different???
5. Correction... I'm not from San Diego. But you didn't ask so you couldn't have known. And to clarify your assumptions, I'm from the South. We tend to pride ourselves on traditions and personal honor. I've been involved in many areas of the trade. Medical devices, aerospace, aeronautical, deep sea, just to name a few. My work has flown on the Space Shuttle, includes parts for the Mir Lander, gone into centrifuges for the extraction of stem cells, drilled for oil in deep seas, are in giant turbines, and is currently flying in UAVs that are deployed around the world. So, you see, I'm not limited to just medical devices... How about you? What other areas have you machined?
I'm so sorry for hurting your fragile ego sir. You are correct, before medical, I primarily did automotive and in iron. Very easy stuff. My apoligies for thinking you are all about yourself. Look at the laundry list of things you have done and had to point out to me to prove how amazing you are. Congratulations. If you are a machinist, and represent the trade. I don't want any part of it. You are arrogant and derogatory. The initial question was what one needed to get into the industry. You made it sound like you had to spend a small fortune to even get a job. At that, if you didn't spend the fortune on the right things, you couldn't get a job. I believe this to be not true, and that is only my opinion. If you want to argue, we can. You obviously have the free time and I'm not busy right now. I'm not sure why you are so offended. I agree that machining is a great occupation, but by your standards, I really dont' know what machining is. I'm just a dumb midwestern programmer who couldn't program if I didn't have software. Of course, this is just an assumption since you didn't ask. You are entitled to your opinion and I support that fact. However, maybe try to be less arrogant when you are telling someone who wants to get into the field what they need. So if you want to claim that I am not a machinist, that is fine. I sure the hell am paid like one! For being a one-trick pony, that's pretty good, I'd say you wasted a lot of time. Just one more question though, how many different companies have you worked for in your 15 years?
Eric
Matt
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T Wow! time out guys !
My stuff is in satelites, submarines, attack helicopters, stealth bombers, jet fighters, sniper rifles and women's wombs (no kidding, google Urethoscope), they're in people's eyes, on trains planes and automobiles.
Every day I work to tolerances that are less than a micron (0.001mm) or 0.00004".
I can, and have, worked to tolerances that are only measurable in wavelengths of light. The tightest I've worked to is 1/20th of a wavelength at 0.633 microns- that's 0.00003mm, or 0.000001 inches and that is the departure from flatness over 12 inches diameter, heh, after that light starts to diffract and act weird.
May I remind the forum that a human red blood cell is about 10 microns in size (source Mitutoyo reference book).
We coat things that are only measureable in Angstroms. An Angstrom is 0.1 of a nanometer or 0.0001 of a micron.
I'm a member of the "Institute of Quality Assurance" and a founder member of the "Chartered Quality Institute" (Founded 1919 and incorporated by Royal Charter 2006). I did a "proper" apprenticeship (the long one) years ago and have more qualifications than I care to list.
My point?...
My tool box(es) consist of about 5 canvas army style bags
Oh, and lots of drawers, racking, trays and pockets hehe.
Mind you I can never find anything I need lol
I love deadlines- I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
That's pretty tight. I don't usually work that closely... +/- 0.0005 is my norm.
Yes, inspection should have pins / gages for your use. I bought my own and use them nearly every day at work. It is more of a convenience, yes I admit, but so is any tool you buy. Just some I use more than others and find myself more valuable.
As for the cheap Chinese tools, yes you can get some decent tools for cheap, and yes you WILL end up replacing them in the near future. I don’t see the value there. Use shop tools until you can afford them. Just yesterday I had someone from our finishing dept. that is not a machinist, but is responsible for checking finish dimensions, came and grabbed one of the MSC sale flyers. I asked what he was looking for. He responded “0-6 inch calipers” he asked what I recommended. After asking a few more questions I found out he is currently using Harbor Freight calipers and was planning on purchasing SPI brand to measure a feature Ø.317 +.001/-0 Calipers have ±.001 accuracy at best.
Like I said before tools you buy depend on what type of work you do. Make sure you get tools that can do the right job. If your tolerances are wide open or in fractions, sure go with cheap import tools, Craftsman, or HF. But if you have to deal with tighter tolerances, I would not put my job on the line trusting cheap tools.
Never a truer word spoken!Make sure you get tools that can do the right job
A good workman never blames his tools but you have to have the right tools to do the job.
They measure horses in hands
I love deadlines- I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
Not even the right tool for the job and cheap don't mean a thing when even a high dollar item wouldn't do the job. I'm wondering what kind of company puts an untrained unknowing person into their final inspection area and allows them to use uncalibrated tooling to do it? There is more wrong here than a cheap HF caliper. I also disagree that you will immediately be replacing cheap tooling especially if it is electronic in nature. The precision is embedded in the structure (epoxy) and often times the same parts are used by both the cheap and high end.
You can buy high end tools that have low end quality, but plaster their name on the same tools you might buy from the low end folks. Name and cost is not a cast iron guarantee of quality.
And he wouldn't have been able to do it without that brown Kennedy tool box! Oh, wait....
Never mind. He said his box was a bag. (nuts)
Oh, and SDCNC:
...if you continue to insult people, call people names and generally be a jerk, you'll end up on a time-out.
Matt
San Diego, Ca
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I'm not trying to "get my way" about anything. Not like some here who are trying to throw around their rotundness...
Isn't irony... ironic?
I'm just saying that you are crossing the line by insulting people and calling them names. It's against the rules here, please don't do it any more.
Pretty basic stuff if you ask me.
Now, about that bright red Craftsman condo full of machinists tools that rolled through the shop a few months ago...
Matt
San Diego, Ca
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Come to think of it, at one point I've made the internal baffles that go into silencers for a local Marine Corps armorer. Couldn't make the complete assembly since its illegal to possess. Some other company made the sleeves that contained the baffles. Funny... all the things we forget as the years go by.
where I come from a guy gets by on merit not bs
A poet knows no boundary yet he is bound to the boundaries of ones own mind !! ........
Matt
San Diego, Ca
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