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  1. #1
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    Mitsu 50L

    Hello all
    I'm having a problem with a meldas 50L controller on an extron lathe. We lost our parameters when the backup battery went dead. I have the parameters written down in a book and have loaded the one's that i could, but i can not find the options page to load those parameters. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank You
    John Trost
    Ps I can be emailed at ..... [email protected]

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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Hi,

    Check your e-mail.

    Best Regards,


    Girish

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    Hello again
    We have been able to load all of the parameters back into the controller manually(typed in each one). We initialized and formatted, our inputs and outputs can be forced on and off but it looks like we have lost our main program. We can't find any ladder logic when we look. My question is, when we lost our backup battery would we have also lost our program? If so can we reload the program if we can find a similair machine and copy theirs?

  4. #4
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    You can reload the ladder either by hand or RS232 if you can find a copy.
    There is a primitive Mitsubishi DOS program that will do it
    Al.
    CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Custom Machine Design

    “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
    Albert E.

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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Hi,

    Machine Builders normally backup the ladder in the ROM. If it is backed up, you can find the file in F0 --> ROM Write menu. It will be easy to load from this menu.

    If not available in this menu, entering by hand will take a long time.

    Best Regards

    Girish

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    Hello
    Girish the fo page is the only page that is blank at the moment. All of the other pages appear to be working. There is a page that shows the servos the spindle and the plc with letters and numbers that follow each item, like a serial number, except the plc. there is no serial number after the plc line, so does that mean we have lost the program?

  7. #7
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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Hi,

    The Ladder display bit seems to be 0.

    Please go to

    1) Menu, PAR --> PLC --> BIT SELECT,

    2) Set Par #6451 bit 0 = 1,
    i.e. #6451 = xxxxxxx1, where x is old bit value.

    It should be possible to view the F0 page.

    Best Regards,

    Girish

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    Need Help Lost parameters

    Hello to all,

    It seems that this is a season of dead batteries.


    I have a Meldas 50M control with
    alarm Z52 Ram Initialize.

    Could you help me?

    [email protected]

    Thanks guys.

  9. #9
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    Need Help Lost parameters

    Hi,

    You have a no of steps to do as below,

    1) Replace with new batteries.
    2) NC Memory Clear with the CS1 / CS2 rotary switch.
    3) Change Language par. 1043 = 1 to English or for any other language par.
    4) Enter Option parameters.
    5) Enter / Upload Machine, User Parameters.
    6) Format Program & Tool Memory by Par. 1060.
    7) Upload Part programs, check for fixed cycles & upload them, if not available.

    8) Read PLC from ROM --> RAM(battery backed) with F0, ROM WRITE Menu. (Be carefull to use READ command, because WRITE command will overwrite junk file in ROM back up memory.)

    It will take long time to prepare the procedure for each of above steps. If somebody has ready procedure, please post it.

    Best Regards,

    Girish

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    Hello
    I hope you can help me again. We have the machine program loaded and working except for the spindle. When you start a part program the spindle rpm only runs at the minimium and the rpm and feedrate override switches are not functioning.

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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Hi,

    Sorry for the delay in reply.

    Do you have any idea, if the spindle is analog (with some inverter) or a Mitsubishi Spindle drive (MDS A/B ... SPJ OR SPJ2 OR SP)?

    If it a mitsubishi drive, check par. 3001~3008, 3024.

    If it is analog, need to check the PLC signals.

    Best Regards,

    Girish

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    Hello Girish
    We were able to fix the machine today. We had to modify the ladder logic.

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    Girish
    I forgot to thank you for all of your help, we would probably still be dead in the water without your help. THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKSSSSSS!
    Have a good day
    John Trost

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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Thank you,

    Best Regards,

    Girish

  15. #15
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    Meldas 50 Z56 Error

    Thanks Girish

    This is very help full.

    I have all the step except num. 2

    2) NC Memory Clear with the CS1 / CS2 rotary switch

    could you go in detail about it.

    Again Thanks a lot for all the help.

    All the best.

  16. #16
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    Need Help! Mitsu 50L

    Hi,

    Sorry for the delay in reply.

    For CNC RAM clear, below procedure is required. It will be the first step to recover from this error, please confirm all backup is available before doing it.

    1) Keep the CNC in off condition.

    2) Set CNC rotary sw. CS2 in C position (original position is 0).

    3) Power ON & wait till the 7-Segment display turns to 07.
    The sequence is 01 -> 03 -> 04 -> 07, RAM will be cleared.

    4) Switch OFF the power & bring back the rotary sw. CS2 to 0.

    5) Power ON.

    After RAM clear & Power ON, select M50L (Lathe) and the Input voltage 110 / 220, as per the originally connected supply.

    Then proceed with further steps.

    Best Regards,

    Girish

  17. #17
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    Mazak M5 with m50l control

    Hello,
    I have a M5 that has lost parameters and ladder.
    Looking for any info, data, list,etc.
    I know there is someone out there that has had this same problem,
    because he contacted me having same issue. (lost contact)
    Thanks for any help in advance.
    Say safe everybody!

  18. #18
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    Re: Mitsu 50L

    Hi all,
    I have a YANK with Mitsubishi MELDAS 50L Control. After re-loading parameters and starting up machine again, resuming from batteries failure, the graphic function (SFG screen remains blank, when button pressed) is absent.
    Maybe a PLC bit selection parameter the reason, but i don't know which exactly is. Does someone knows about this problem? Please let me know, my mail is, <[email protected]>. Thank you.
    S.Kiafas

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