Thank's for the suportive input on the knee feed steve will post pictures tomarrow I hope if my IT guy is avalible "youngest son". Gus the serisI BTC is MT35 the BTC serisII is MT40. Hoping to make headway on encloser this weekend first panel bent welded and program's for mount's on disk tonight will cut am cautiously going to drill four holes for 10-32's in the front of the cpu encloser can't see anything to drill through . Have to make the back panel's easy to remove to fill way lub and deal with cable conection's. Anybody found TG100's or they a BPT tooling legend ? Could use a couple have other stuff to trade. How about puting a column riser in a BTC has any one done it with a Boss 3-6 S1? Would make 4th axis work easer Back to making chips Kevin