Need the complete Fault code as you see it on the VFD screen, this will help with what the problem is
Need the complete Fault code as you see it on the VFD screen, this will help with what the problem is
Mactec54
I don't want to run the spindle again without seeing what's going on mechanically. It gets too hot and runs rough.
This is how far I got disassembly, how to proceed?
https://i.postimg.cc/85WkvQ32/IMG-2827.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/gjNCXgz9/IMG-2828.jpg
Mac is right, taking it apart is like opening a can of worms. Unless the bearings were rough or something inside was dragging its more than likely in your setup Parameters . Now you have it far enough apart you will have a hard time getting it lined up and the bearings adjusted correctly. Preload adjustment is critical.
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You have to pull the "fan" off the back end, and then there should be a LH nut under it that needs to be removed. Then it will all come apart.
Gerry
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How do we know if the preload is correct?
Assume that's it's probably not. I have two, and they are noticeably different.
The proper method of preloading is with matched, ground bearings, which cost more than the spindle.
Gerry
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Mactec54
Hi, I've uploaded a youtube video of the motor in action including throwing the error code.
The motor is making sort of a grinding noise when it runs seems like as compared to near silent running when it was new.
I've checked the drive settings and things looked normal,
50 hz,
220 v,
3 second ramp up
3 second ramp down
https://youtu.be/HYvhfp3wcUg
Thanks for everyones help so far?
Electrical code does matter, however codes are so strict around here that in this small garage I don't even attempt to meet code. I have a cousin electrician that helps when its time to finalize things.
Also, I've obviously reassembled the motor for this demo, I don't think anything has changed with bearing alignments or preload. There is clearance between the moving parts, they spin freely on their own.
Your Parameters settings can't be using 50Hz anywhere they have to be set at 400Hz I surprised the spindle has not smoked with using 50Hz
The Code is saying the Parameters are set incorrect which we know by the 50Hz
Here are the Parameters you need set, If this has not damaged the Spindle you got lucky
Huanyang Mactec54
2.2Kw 220v 400Hz Air Cooled
PD000=0 ( 1 For Parameter Lock )
PD001=0 (1 For Remote Control)
PD002=0 ( 1 For 0-10v Terminal Control or Remote Trim Pot Control )
( J1 Also Needs to be set for Remote Terminal Control 1-2 jumper connection )
PD003=400
PD004=400
PD005=400
PD006=5
PD007=20
PD008=220 (Motor Rated Voltage )
PD009=15
PD010=15
PD011=120 ( 120 Minimum Setting VFD, 150 is Safe for air cooled for startup )
PD13= 08 is for Factory reset, Only use this to set VFD to Factory Default Settings
PD014 Acceleration=8 ( Adjust to suit)
PD015 Deceleration=8 (Adjust to suit) ( PD15 is ignored IF PD26=1 Then the Spindle will Coast to a Stop)
PD023=0 ( Forward Run Only )
PD041=8 ( Carrier Frequency up to 10 Max for these Spindle motors)
PD120=120 ( Stall Prevention )
PD141=220 ( Motor Rated Voltage )
PD142=8 ( Or Motor Max Amps )
PD143=2 ( Motor Number of Poles)
PD144=3000 (Max Motor RPM) 3,000= (24,000)
PD70=0 ( This may need to be set to 1 if Control Voltage is 0-5v )
PD72=400
PD73=120 ( 120 Minimum RPM Setting 150 is Safe for air cooled spindles at startup )
PD174=??? ( To Be Set to the VFD Drives Max Rated Output Amps )
As you never took the Spindle completely apart you would not of changed anything with the preload or Bearings, Just make sure the front Nut is as tight as it was before around 60ft-lbs
We don't have your Spindle spec's so i'm guessing that it is 400Hz, if your spindle is 300Hz then all the 400Hz Parameters need to be 300Hz
Mactec54
I don't understand, are you trying to run the motor at 50 Hz? If so it will soon be burnt out. Minimum low speed under no load should never be less than 100 Hz. Mine is set at 150.
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I’m following the YouTube video on configuration of Huanyang VFD. He put 50hz for US. I have only changed from 400 to 50 for this video. It did not affect the speed for some reason. I am away but believe all other settings match your description. Will confirm.
Ok I have changed all those settings over to what you said and with the same result.
Ok lesson learned, must have been 50 hz at some point. This really sucks out $300 bucks nowThe reason we let you recheck is that if you do not set it at 400, then when you run the spindle motor, the spindle motor will be over-current, then the spindle will very hot and then within 5 minutes, it will broken.
Is there any upside to my situation??
Try
PD006=2.5
I think the wiring was the cause of the whole problem, and may still be, if your cousin is not an industrial electrician he may also not of had any experience on how to wire a VFD to Spindle like this using the correct cable you need to use
IGUS is one of the best for the cable you need it is CF6-15-04 This is a 4 wire cable with a shield, the shield has to be terminated correctly also
Mactec54
The wiring will need improvement but I can't see how that explains the motor not functioning at all now.
It went from running at maybe a couple thousand RPM yesterday to about 100 RPM today and it was running very hot from the beginning. This seems to match the description in the Huanyang thread. I must have had the frequency at 50 hz.
Then I get the good bearings from this motor but mostly a loss.
It should never have been able to run at even 2000 RPM, probably around 9,000 RPM was your minimum, they have a minimum safe speed they can run at, if you go below that number then you will over heat and then you are done, so Programing and wiring is very important for these spindles survival
There is no way to tell but the VFD Drive may have damage also
Mactec54
What recommendations on a new setup?
What parts of this spindle are salvageable?
What ohms should the windings read to know for sure?
btw Mactec thanks for the suggestions on wire.