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plain ol Bill New 5 x 10 plasma build 08-19-2008, 01:22 AM
plain ol Bill I will add some more pics in... 08-19-2008, 01:31 AM
DRL OH BOY!!!! A new project.... 08-19-2008, 01:55 AM
plain ol Bill DRL I am in Tenino, just N of... 08-19-2008, 02:48 AM
supertechster Very, Very nice! Got a... 08-19-2008, 04:58 AM
douglasco hey notasupertechster - not... 08-19-2008, 09:19 AM
plain ol Bill The yellow press is one I... 08-19-2008, 06:27 PM
plain ol Bill Setting "y" width 08-20-2008, 12:02 AM
Weldtutor Great looking start to your... 08-20-2008, 02:48 AM
millman52 Nice job Bill, I'll continue... 08-20-2008, 10:06 PM
plain ol Bill I have been working on the... 08-29-2008, 12:06 AM
Jcar Bill, All I can say is... 08-29-2008, 03:37 AM
plain ol Bill I am not the fastest person... 09-02-2008, 11:48 PM
Apples ahhh, I dunno abut the sticky... 09-03-2008, 11:45 AM
theweldor They glue in windshields, I... 09-03-2008, 11:57 PM
cemrich Sweet Water Table 01-22-2013, 02:28 AM
plain ol Bill All my electronics came from... 01-22-2013, 11:10 PM
gene Nice table........Just... 09-05-2008, 05:50 AM
tinman13 Nice looking table Bill, I'm... 09-06-2008, 01:21 AM
Big John T No kinks if you use EMC2...... 09-08-2008, 03:22 PM
Jcar It looks like your table is... 09-13-2008, 03:34 PM
Med-Pac Nice build Bill, Keep the... 09-13-2008, 05:44 PM
plain ol Bill Things are progressing slowly... 09-14-2008, 12:12 AM
Med-Pac Have you considered the... 09-14-2008, 01:04 AM
Edwardo Bill Nothing plain about... 09-14-2008, 01:32 AM
plain ol Bill Med-Pac I'd luv to have the... 09-14-2008, 04:41 AM
millman52 If I'm not mistaken the Ht... 09-15-2008, 01:48 AM
millman52 I am looking at installing... 09-15-2008, 01:57 AM
Med-Pac When we initially got our... 09-15-2008, 02:25 PM
millman52 I can believe it would do... 09-15-2008, 09:23 PM
plain ol Bill I have been working on the... 09-16-2008, 09:34 PM
plain ol Bill Material handling 09-17-2008, 11:40 PM
cadman@teluspla Bill that is a great looking... 09-18-2008, 12:46 AM
millman52 Wish I could be doing most... 09-18-2008, 03:06 AM
plain ol Bill DUH! 10-07-2008, 12:51 AM
plain ol Bill More pics 10-09-2008, 11:54 PM
lamicron Hi Bill, only a quote about... 10-11-2008, 10:58 PM
Med-Pac Hey Bill Very Nice!! ... 10-24-2008, 11:45 PM
millman52 Sometimes waiting is the... 10-25-2008, 05:50 AM
millman52 Being in business fo myself I... 11-10-2008, 11:28 AM
plain ol Bill Hooray! 11-14-2008, 10:12 PM
ronateah Bill - have read your posts... 11-16-2008, 06:02 PM
millman52 With entry level plasma... 11-16-2008, 07:56 PM
PlasmaGuy Bill, You table is looking... 12-03-2008, 02:34 AM
millman52 Tips for Ox Fuel 12-07-2008, 03:51 AM
skippy I've had an interest in cnc... 12-07-2008, 07:18 AM
plain ol Bill Phil of course you can fill a... 12-07-2008, 09:31 PM
millman52 I picked up my computer off... 12-07-2008, 11:46 PM
skippy Bill, thanks for the... 12-08-2008, 12:15 AM
tinman13 Hi Bill, I have been watching... 12-14-2008, 05:21 AM
plain ol Bill Mechanically complete 12-16-2008, 03:58 AM
Big John T Looking good Bill. Hope you... 12-16-2008, 04:41 PM
ronateah ditto Bill get well soon 12-17-2008, 07:59 AM
lwhiway Mr. Bill, I've watched your... 12-17-2008, 08:04 PM
blue^ray Awesome build you have going... 01-27-2009, 02:39 PM
plain ol Bill Update and questions answered 01-28-2009, 12:20 AM
blue^ray Yea I was thinking of a... 01-28-2009, 07:03 AM
millman52 Glad to see you back Bill. ... 01-31-2009, 02:20 PM
millman52 Blue Ray I didn't look at... 01-31-2009, 02:25 PM
ronateah You got motion! 01-31-2009, 04:02 PM
plain ol Bill It seems that when the... 02-09-2009, 01:25 AM
millman52 Keep the faith Bill. I had a... 02-09-2009, 10:16 PM
semi-lucid Looking at that, it seems... 03-07-2009, 03:20 AM
tinman13 Glad to see you have had some... 03-07-2009, 05:20 AM
millman52 Both My X & Y are set up wit... 03-07-2009, 09:36 PM
plain ol Bill Steve I did my steps per inch... 03-08-2009, 09:49 PM
millman52 Haven't heard from you in a... 04-15-2009, 11:32 PM
plain ol Bill I had to send my THC control... 04-17-2009, 04:22 AM
millman52 Bill!!! I know it has to... 04-20-2009, 12:07 AM
millman52 Thanks for the reply on the... 06-15-2009, 03:34 AM
skippy Hey Millman, just out of... 08-30-2009, 11:48 AM
millman52 An in shop welder, (General... 08-30-2009, 08:02 PM
WSS Millman52, Is that... 08-30-2009, 09:12 PM
millman52 That would be an emplyees... 08-31-2009, 12:18 AM
plain ol Bill I made my living on the end... 08-31-2009, 01:08 AM
WSS Please!! 08-31-2009, 01:54 AM
WSS millman52, You forgot to... 08-31-2009, 01:56 AM
skippy $500/wk take home pay, wow,... 08-31-2009, 05:28 PM
plain ol Bill WSS I will have to get some... 09-01-2009, 03:20 AM
WSS plain ol bill, Alright!! An... 09-01-2009, 07:46 AM
WSS Hey skippy, $18usd an hour... 09-01-2009, 08:01 AM
WSS plain ol Bill, How about... 09-20-2009, 10:58 PM
plain ol Bill Sorry bout being so slow... 09-21-2009, 01:12 AM
plain ol Bill As requested I am posting... 09-21-2009, 10:12 PM
WSS I have a question, does... 09-22-2009, 12:37 AM
plain ol Bill WSS pm sent your way. 09-22-2009, 01:20 AM
WSS Got it! The file work on the... 09-22-2009, 03:53 AM
Torchhead Bill sent me a hand made... 09-22-2009, 03:10 PM
WSS Knifemaking is as much... 09-24-2009, 08:27 AM
plain ol Bill Thank you for the comments... 09-24-2009, 11:48 PM
banderson1357 New member needs help in... 09-25-2009, 02:09 PM
Weldtutor Plasma Table Plans 09-25-2009, 02:54 PM
millman52 Extra pressure will create... 10-27-2009, 01:08 AM
Weldtutor Picture? 12-24-2009, 04:52 PM
MBG How much does all this cost?... 12-24-2009, 08:45 PM
plain ol Bill MBG I will be honest - I did... 12-25-2009, 01:15 AM
plain ol Bill WeldTutor I will try to fire... 12-25-2009, 01:16 AM
MBG Well either way I am very... 12-25-2009, 04:45 AM
plain ol Bill Well I have had the table... 08-09-2010, 11:22 PM
The Inventor Hope you plan on making a... 09-01-2010, 03:29 AM
rock4xfab Bill is that a Laser... 09-03-2010, 09:54 PM
plain ol Bill You hit the nail on the head.... 09-04-2010, 12:03 AM
rock4xfab Great Thanks, then I guess I... 09-04-2010, 02:30 AM
Torchhead I'm confused.:confused: Why... 09-04-2010, 08:47 PM
rock4xfab COOL FACTOR hehehe actualy... 09-04-2010, 09:53 PM
plain ol Bill I've gotten used to throwing... 09-05-2010, 12:14 AM
ajclay Just to keep things on the... 09-05-2010, 02:35 PM
sarojkumar this sarojkumar we required... 10-27-2010, 12:27 PM
millman52 I took the time to accurately... 10-27-2010, 12:54 PM
Voodoo Vintage Plain Ol Bill... I've been... 11-01-2010, 03:36 PM
plain ol Bill Voodoo thanks for the hats... 11-01-2010, 11:56 PM
Voodoo Vintage Ha ha! Not confused as I'll... 11-02-2010, 03:45 PM
plain ol Bill the price is right on the... 11-02-2010, 11:57 PM
xcad double posted - sorry X 11-23-2010, 02:20 AM
xcad Water-bath questions 11-23-2010, 02:23 AM
Jeep07 I know many people use 1/8 2"... 11-23-2010, 02:34 AM
WSS I run 4" X 3/16" slats with... 11-27-2010, 09:47 AM
jjellingson Questions about motor tuning 12-10-2010, 02:15 AM
Black Forest OK, It has been a month. ... 03-15-2014, 08:12 PM
plain ol Bill Pics 02-16-2014, 10:45 PM
The Inventor "Thirdly, what is the general... 11-23-2010, 06:28 AM
plain ol Bill Hmmm there have been some... 11-24-2010, 12:15 AM
plain ol Bill Time to update my machine I... 02-16-2014, 07:41 PM
plain ol Bill For anyone that might be... 01-12-2014, 12:46 AM
Torchhead John: every table tunes... 12-11-2010, 01:10 AM
plain ol Bill Yeah John - what he said!:) 12-12-2010, 12:59 AM
plain ol Bill Well after four years I had... 10-12-2012, 06:24 PM
Voodoo Vintage Bill, I believe what... 10-13-2012, 12:09 AM
plain ol Bill Re: New 5 x 10 plasma build 05-23-2014, 10:59 PM
plain ol Bill Re: New 5 x 10 plasma build 05-20-2014, 03:57 AM
Frank W My wife finished with Chemo... 03-18-2014, 05:30 PM
Kardal Re: New 5 x 10 plasma build 04-22-2014, 08:18 AM
plain ol Bill Re: New 5 x 10 plasma build 07-12-2023, 04:18 AM
  1. #1
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    Sometimes waiting is the hardest part......

    I have electronics from CandCNC. If there is a hold up for some reason it will be well worth the wait. I have been running since Jan. this year. Once going I was running about 2 1/2 - 3 days per week. This week I have ran the table every day & most days this week 10 hrs or more. Haven't had a problem at all.

    Had 1 3/4" on the table yesterday. Had some problems piercing in the beginning but had most of it worked out by the end of the job. Takes lots of preheat to pierce cleanly
    If it works.....Don't fix it!

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    Being in business fo myself I have a good understanding of supply chain hold ups. I sometimes even get held up on products as basic as Cold Rolled Steel rounds.

    I even do the best I can to keep at least a 2 week supply of the materials I regularly use on hand. All it takes is an unexpected order for those materials, & even the slightest glitch with a steel supplier & there you are empty handed.
    If it works.....Don't fix it!

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    Hooray!

    Just got notification of my electronics package shipping from CandCNC. Should have it all late next week and then the fun begins!:banana:

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    Bill - have read your posts and I am very excited for you. I have built a 5 by 10 table with out water (partnered with another fellow on that one) and two router tables with a mill/drill conversion and 5 by 10 router in progress. I have used CandCNC package on the plasma table with good success. Running steady now for 6 months. We still need to build another plasma table (this one is mine / part of the deal). This next one i want to be a water table (seams to make sense). So I am very interested in your progress. I have no experiance with the concept of plasma in water and dont know what the deal is with the air inlet and outlet. Do you know of any sites where I can learn about working with plasma in water table and can you tell me how your getting the water level adjusting up and down.

    Thanks much

    Ron

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronateah View Post
    Bill - have read your posts and I am very excited for you. I have built a 5 by 10 table with out water (partnered with another fellow on that one) and two router tables with a mill/drill conversion and 5 by 10 router in progress. I have used CandCNC package on the plasma table with good success. Running steady now for 6 months. We still need to build another plasma table (this one is mine / part of the deal). This next one i want to be a water table (seams to make sense). So I am very interested in your progress. I have no experiance with the concept of plasma in water and dont know what the deal is with the air inlet and outlet. Do you know of any sites where I can learn about working with plasma in water table and can you tell me how your getting the water level adjusting up and down.

    Thanks much

    Ron
    With entry level plasma machines the plasma head does'nt really run in the water itself. The torches aren't designed for under water operation & would short out. Water level is brought up to or near the bottom side of the plate being cut. The water then acts ad a dust/smoke trap as well as coolant to help eliminate warpage of the plate.

    The water is held in a storage tank equaling, but preferrably a bit larger than the volume needed to fill your water tray. Valves are needed to (1) regulate air going into your holding tank to force water to your tray. (2) to hold water in tray after fill. (3) To vent pressure from holding tank back to atmosphere to allow tray to drain back to tank.

    To fill tray: Valves 1 & 2 would be open, 3 would be closed.

    Once tray full: Close valve 2 & 1, open valve 3 to vent air pressure from holding tank.

    To drain tray: Open valve 2. water will drain back to holding tank.

    This is about as simple of a version of water table as you can get. Float level switches, solenoid valves etc could be incorporated if something automatic is desired.
    If it works.....Don't fix it!

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    Ron since you already use a plasma you understand just how nasty these things can be. Controlling all that black crap is what the water is all about plus helping to control distortion from heat. The principle is simple really. I use full line air pressure on my table to raise the water and just control it by not opening the valve all the way. I crack the valve and the water level rises into the working part of the table. When the level gets to where I want it I just shut the valve off. The water stays at this level until you open a valve to let the air out and then the water goes back to the bottom of the tank.


    I know there are some folks that do sumerge the work under water. The torch suppliers do NOT reccomend this - but some folks do it and get away with it. If I were cutting thin stainless I would likely try it myself.

    I have a .pdf file that is too large to load here from Thermal Dynamics about water tables I could send you if you want. Drop me a private message w/ your email addy if you want it.

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    Bill,

    You table is looking very sharp.

    Take care of the knee too!

    Tom

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    Tips for Ox Fuel

    http://www.atlweldingsupply.com/Acet...ors_c_485.html

    Bill, Here is the link to the tips. The adapters & tip nuts are also listed on the site somewhere.

    I use the M6-0 size tip for everything from 1/4" through 1". I have tried using them sized by American Torch Tip's chart for these tips. I could only gain about 2 IPM by using what they say for 1" & the cut across the face isn't quite as nice & use loads more gas(s)

    Once you get going contact me again & I'll try to give you a few regulator settings & feeds that I have found that works well for me.

    I think their quality control likes just a bit being perfect. For example; I recently purchased 10 of these tips. From the 10 at least (1) wasn't worth a crap (very poor cut quality) (7) was at least as good as other name brand (Oxweld), in my case tips & the remaining (2) cut so nice I can't compair them to anything else I have ever used.

    For some reason almost all seem to get better after a few cleanings. Can't figure that one out at all. For the price though you can throw 2 of 3 away & still be at about the same price as the big name brand(s)

    I have a couple each of the sizes I would use ordered in their divergent bore High Speed tips. (supposed to increase IPM speeds by about 25-30%) but require high pressure Ox on the cut orfice. About 100# as best I remember.

    I'll report back after I have had a chance to try them out.

    Neil
    If it works.....Don't fix it!

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    I've had an interest in cnc plasma cutters for some time and in the near future I would like to buy or build one with waterbed. What I haven't figured out is why the level of the water would need to be varied (including emptying and refilling) to the point where valving is required. Can't you just fill it up with the hose to the level you want and for emptying, dump it down the drain via a ball valve? Obviously there is a reason for needing constant level changes but I just don't know what it is.....
    Thanks for your help.
    Phil

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    Phil of course you can fill a pan type water table with a hose and never vary the depth (or vary it by just filling and dumping to the point needed). Doing it that way you can dump right into a sewer connection or onto the ground without any problem when needed. You might have to dig around in rusty water that way to find your parts that drop in and evaporation is fairly quick with a large surface area of water exposed. Nothing wrong with this method and many, many people do it this way.
    With an air operated water table you can add rust preventive chemicals that will protect the table and the work. It is easy to raise or lower water level to any desired height. High water level for thin material that will help keep the work cool and aid in keeping distortion to a minimum. Lower for heavier material that doesn't distort so much. Lower levels still capture black crap but don't splash as bad when cutting. Another benefit of this type is that when not in use you can drop the water level into the sump area cutting down on exposed water to lessen evaporation. Myself, I don't want too much evaporation in the shop because of other tooling that might start to rust.

    Why did I do it this way?? Just cause I thought it would be so cool! I admit to loving to build things and wanted to try making my own plasma table. I am not fast anymore but manage to do something to the table almost daily. It is getting very, very close to going into operation now. Still waiting for the couplers for the Z axis and another computer to run it when the old one I had puked out on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plain ol Bill View Post

    Why did I do it this way?? Just cause I thought it would be so cool! I admit to loving to build things and wanted to try making my own plasma table. I am not fast anymore but manage to do something to the table almost daily. It is getting very, very close to going into operation now. Still waiting for the couplers for the Z axis and another computer to run it when the old one I had puked out on me.
    I picked up my computer off Ebay It was listed as "refurbished". Realistically I think it had just had the 80 G hard drive erased & reformatted with XP Pro, 512 RAM, Pentium 4 2.X Ghz, Gateway. $149.00 When I opened the case to install the second parallel port & upgrade the RAM to 1 Ghz., it was dusty inside. Not bad but if it had actually been worked on, one would think the tech would have blew that out. Anyway it has worked great. It just doesn't take a computer with loads of bells & whistles to run one of these tables. In fact The less software that's on one the better off you are.
    If it works.....Don't fix it!

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    Bill, thanks for the explanation.
    Phil

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    Hi Bill, I have been watching and waiting for lift off!
    Are you close or is the knee slowed progress too much.

    Let me know if there is anything I can do.

    Steve

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    Mechanically complete

    Finished up the table mechanically today with the last motor mount. All the electronics are mounted, wiring run. Just don't have the electronics checked out yet and will not be able to do that until after knee surgery recovery. Added a pic of the table in current condition.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails table 39.jpg  

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    Looking good Bill. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

    John

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    ditto Bill get well soon

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    Just don't have the electronics checked out yet and will not be able to do that until after knee surgery recovery. Added a pic of the table in current condition.
    Mr. Bill, I've watched your build from day 1 of post 1 and would have no qualms of following your lead and building my own identical to yours, if I needed one. lol I know that I could make projects to keep the dust off it, but, a daily burner, not.

    I will say that I have one CNC router setup on a 4'x4' working area that I use for stringed instruments and other router/mill projects that I put together several years ago(with zero prior CNC knowledge) and am in process of putting together parts for a second.

    Good luck with the surgery, follow the good Doctors directions to the 't'. It made the difference in my personal 'knee' recoveries. I had to believe them when they said, crutches only etc etc.

    Here's hoping for a speedy recovery and a Happy Holiday's. I'll be watching for future post updates.

    LW

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    Awesome build you have going on there.

    I love your solid base (Probbaly heavy as heck) but I wanted to ask if you followed any plans?

    I just dont get how everything goes together accurately in the first lot of steps, did you get a steel mob to bend/cut it all for you? Whats holding all the supports (is it just the 2 beams up top?) Whats the specs on the U channel that you use? What is the thickness of steel sheet you use?

    Sorry to sound like stealing your design but it is the most solid I have seen so far and I am looking to build a smaller plama cutter soon myself so im going around looking what everyone else has made.

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    Update and questions answered

    Hi folks - I have not updated in quite awhile and apologize. This knee replacement surgery has gone pretty well actually. I have been slow in returning to the shop because the knee seems to ache a lot more than usual if I sit in a cold shop for long. But local temps seem to be edging up a bit so maybe I can get back out there and finish up in the next week.
    The table is complete w/ the electronics all installed now. I am just trying to get some bugs worked out of the software (and the bugs are me rather than the software). I have movement on all three axis's using the jog buttons but still have to get the plasma to actually fire off.

    blue-ray I did not have any plans for the table. I studied different builds on this forum and gleaned ideas from them. Further I haunted the websites of commercial builders and gleaned ideas from them also. I did get a local fab shop to bend the 10 ga. plate plate for the pan. That saved a lot of work. The rest of itis mainly 4" structural channel iron for the frame. All the channel iron is welded to the pan and each other for stiffness. The frame pieces were assembled in a jig so each piece is identical, then installed over the pan and finally the top runners were welded to the frames. Plasma is not the worlds most accurate cutting system but the structural channel should allow me to stay well within the plasma parameters. "V" wheels and rails are also within plasma cutting parameters. I had more of a problem designing the gear drives for the X & Y axis's and installing them than anything else. If I had it to do over I would allow another 1/8" between the drives and the rack gears. Mine are really close, they work but something I will have to keep an eye on to insure I do not have problems down the road.
    Look thru all the different builds on here and the manufacturers and pick out the ideas you like best and build your table to suit you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plain ol Bill View Post
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    Yea I was thinking of a design like yours but I prefer to work with RHS.

    Ie. Frame on the outside with sheet on the inside. I love your R&P with V's on top design.


    sorry but what is 20 ga. in inches or mm. I am in australia and they never use the guage measurement.

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