I turned on v23 and it must have connected to bob cad in the background .Any way under modules i have the upgraded preditor and all it lost all modules and it thinks it is in turning mode and you can not get it out .It also lost all verify functions also what the hay !!!!! can someone else look at there v 23 and see if it is just me or is it the wonderful bobcad folks that are having a problem? thanks Dusty