I don,t get it. I started watching auctions on ebay of mini mills and mini lathes( hopin to score a good deal). Most of these end up selling for about $40 to $60 cheaper than if ya bought new from Harbor Frieght or Cummins. I mean these machines are used , need repairs and you really don,t know what your getting. Now maybe if I was saving a $100 that would be worth it, but for $60 more I rather buy it new. I just don,t get it why people are tryin to save that little bit when it is not worth it.