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  1. #1
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    Invar 36 Invar 36fm

    I've never milled this before. I'm quoting high freq diplexers, 1 x 2 x 8 inches, with tons, (no, really, TONS) of pockets (wave guides), close dia holes, and tolerances all around of ±.002 or less.

    Where to start for:

    Tooling?

    SFPM?

    How's the machinability? Is it stable? I'm a bit nervous.

    'Rekd
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    Afther further review, it seems the Invar 36 and 36 FM (Free Machining) is like 36% nickel? WTF? That's Free Machining?!?!?!

    It also seems it's used primarily for it's coeffecient of thermal expansion, (clocks, diplexers etc)

    I also see suggestions to aneal it for stability. I will end up with about 75% or more material removal (pocketing out the wazoo), is this going to be an issue if I don't get it anealed?

    Here's a pict of what it's gonna look like. The quantities could be in the hundreds, so I need to nail the cycle times/tooling charges.

    :edit:
    The pocketed area you see below is all toleranced at ±.002.
    :/edit:

    TYIA

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    Here's help

    Originally posted by Rekd
    ~snip
    I'm a bit nervous.

    'Rekd
    Maybe cut back on the coffee
    First you get good, then you get fast. Then grouchiness sets in.

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    Bid High And Hope You Don't Get It.!

    Rekd,

    Here's a link to Carpenter metals , some info on milling< not much.

    Maybe you could call them and see if you can get a hold of "smart" app. engineer.

    Or get your hands an a piece and see how it goes. Better to try it first hand then you will know.


    http://crswnew.cartech.com/wnew/tech...s/TA00018.html
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    Re: Bid High And Hope You Don't Get It.!

    Originally posted by wms
    Rekd,

    Here's a link to Carpenter metals , some info on milling< not much.

    Maybe you could call them and see if you can get a hold of "smart" app. engineer.

    Or get your hands an a piece and see how it goes. Better to try it first hand then you will know.


    http://crswnew.cartech.com/wnew/tech...s/TA00018.html
    Thanks, wms. I can prolly talk a vendor into sampling me a piece for free. Good idea.

    'Rekd
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    Sorry I did'nt get here sooner rekd'.
    Looks like a nice project ya got there. How big(or small)
    are the fillets vesus the depth of pockets?
    If you can send me the file and i'll look at it.
    I can point you in the right dir. for tools to.
    BTW what type of machines are you using out there?

    PEACE

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    Originally posted by hardmill
    Sorry I did'nt get here sooner rekd'.
    Looks like a nice project ya got there. How big(or small)
    are the fillets vesus the depth of pockets?
    If you can send me the file and i'll look at it.
    I can point you in the right dir. for tools to.
    BTW what type of machines are you using out there?

    PEACE
    Thanks hardmill. I figured you were prolly busy like a mofo or you'd have piped in long ago.

    The doc to dia is about 6 to 1. I've done much worse in alum, brass, and some mild steels, but 36% nickel makes me a tad nervous going that deep. I'll be pre-drilling the corners out. I'll see if they gave me the database yet and send it over.

    We're using all HAAS'. Hogging = bad

    'Rekd
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    Reked the Haas will work just fine. I use to do invar in wave guides on Haas machines worked well..

    Just so you know this stuff is abbrasive as heck.
    Carbide and Cobolt are your freinds.
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    Originally posted by cadcam
    ...

    Just so you know this stuff is abbrasive as heck.
    Carbide and Cobolt are your freinds.
    Is diamond coating cost effective? Prolly not, eh? I know it is on trodes (graphite) and things like G10-11, but I don't remember hearing anyone using it on metals.

    'Rekd
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    I used that typ on cobolt.
    I would stay with Carbide and go coded like Tiain.
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