[Hermle UWF851]

Here is a tough one but maybe someone will have an idea. I have an intermittent problem (the best kind). My 1998 HMC with an OM sometimes does not actually change tools. He just thinks he did. The first two times I assumed operator error jumping around in the program or something. This last time, I seen it myself. This is three times in about 4 months. Same parts have been running, one shift, 24 pcs per day. 13 tool changes per part. The machine is currently running but I'm waiting for the next mix-up.

Below, I attached the programs for your reference. I run program O1 as the main. O5011 is pallet one, O5012 is pallet two, O9003 is called up with M6.

After O5012, tool 55 is in the spindle, it pallet changes then is suppose to change to tool 60 to run O5011. This is where it made the mistake in the past and where I just seen it. It finished O5012 with tool 55 in the spindle (correct) changed pallets (correct), opened the tool change door (correct), but did not change tools, then closed the tool door and started machining with tool 55 rather than tool 60. And, it says tool 55 is in the spindle while running . I'm thinking its getting a false complete signal some how. Is this possible? I don't read ladders to know what it looks for and when. It did it last time with the same tool after O5012 so it be a program issue but we've made thousands of parts over the years with these programs. Maybe I need a "stop buffer" before or after tool changes or pallet changes? Any guidance will be appreciated.

O0001
T60
M61
M1
M98P5011
M1
M62
M1
M98P5012
M1
M99
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O5011(CYLINDER OP 1)
M61
G00G91G80G40G28Z0
T60M6(1.25)
(STEPROUGH 3.057 BORE)
G54P1
T59
G00G90X0.0Y-0.899S5000M03
B0.
G43Z0.05H60M08
G01Z-0.35F75.
G03X0.0Y-0.899I0.0J0.899
G01Z-0.7
G03X0.0Y-0.899I0.0J0.899
(STEP1850BORE)
G01X0.2979Y0.Z-2.382F200.
G03X0.2979Y0.Z-2.64I-0.2979J0.0F75.
X0.2979Y0.Z-2.898I-0.2979J0.0
G01X0.0
G41D160Y-0.2982
G03X0.0Y-0.2982I0.0J0.2982
G01G40Y-0.2482
(STEPROUGH 1.617 BORE)
X0.1833Y0.
G03X0.1833Y0.0Z-3.175I-0.1833J0.0F75.
X0.1833Y0.0Z-3.5I-0.1833J0.0
G01X0.0
G41D160Y-0.1834
G03X0.0Y-0.1834I0.0J0.1834
G01G40Y-0.1334
(STEPROUGH BOTTOM)
G00Z0.15
G54P1
G00X-2.4Y2.41
G01Z-0.55F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
G00Z0.05
X-2.4
Z-0.5
G01Z-1.1F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
G00Z0.05
X-2.4
Z-1.05
G01Z-1.65F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
G00Z0.05
X-2.4
Z-1.6
G01Z-2.2F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
G00Z0.05
X-2.4
Z-2.15
G01Z-2.75F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
G00Z0.05
X-2.4
Z-2.7
G01Z-3.3F100.0
G41D160X-2.1
X2.1
G40X2.2
(STEP4)
G00Z.5
G54P1
G00X2.85Y-3.28
G01Z0.35F100.0
X-2.725
(STEPFACE Z0)
G00Z.5
G54P1
G00X-1.0827Y2.4204
G01Z0.0F100.0
G42D160X0.7836Y1.2555F75.
G02X-0.7836Y1.2555I-0.7836J-1.2555
G01G40X0.9131Y2.3145
(2XSTEP1850BORE)
G00Z.05
G00X0.0Y-0.0002
Z-2.382
G01Z-2.9F100.0
Y-0.2982F50.
G03X0.0Y-0.2982I0.0J0.2982
G01Y-0.2482
(STEPFACE BOSS)
G00Z8.0
G54P2
G00X0.0Y1.798
B180.
Z0.05
G01Z0.0F100.0
Y0.998
G02X0.0Y0.998I0.0J-0.998
G01Y1.598
(STEP 1.996 BOSS 1)
G00Z.05
G00X-2.7Y1.723
G01Z-0.19F100.0
X0.0
G02X0.0Y1.723I0.0J-1.723
G01X2.7
(STEP FACE EXHAUST)
G00Z0.5
G00X-3.325Y-2.723
G01Z-0.045F100.0
X2.5F75.
G0Z0.5
X-3.325Y-3.523
G1Z-0.045F100.
X2.5F75.
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T59M6(0.5)
(STEP1.996 BOSS 2)
G54P2
T58
G00G90X1.601Y-0.1625S3000M03
B180.
G43Z.05H59M08
G01Z-0.19F100.0
G41D159X0.8818Y-0.8818F20.0
G02X0.8818Y-0.8818I-0.8818J0.8818
G01G40X0.2686Y-1.4949
(STEP DRILL EXHAUST PORTS)
G00Z.05
G54P2
G00X0.7399Y-3.5043
G1Z-0.56F50.
G83Z-1.Q0.1F8.
G80
G01Z-0.84F100.
G41D159X0.7297Y-3.5482F10.0
G03X0.74Y-3.55I0.0103J0.0282
X0.74Y-3.55I0.0J0.0469
X0.7503Y-3.5482I0.0J0.03
G01G40X0.7401Y-3.5043
X0.7399
G01Z-1.15F10.
G41D159X0.7297Y-3.5482F10.0
G03X0.74Y-3.55I0.0103J0.0282
X0.7869Y-3.5031Z-1.25I0.J0.0469
X0.74Y-3.4562Z-1.15I-0.0469J0.
X0.74Y-3.55I0.J-0.0469
X0.7503Y-3.5482I0.0J0.03
G01G40X0.7401Y-3.5043
G00Z.05
X-0.7401
G1Z-0.56F50.
G83Z-1.Q0.1F8.
G80
G01Z-0.84F100.
G41D159X-0.7503Y-3.5482F10.0
G03X-0.74Y-3.55I0.0103J0.0282
X-0.74Y-3.55I0.0J0.0469
X-0.7297Y-3.5482I0.0J0.03
G01G40X-0.7399Y-3.5043
X-0.7401
G01Z-1.15F10.
G41D159X-0.7503Y-3.5482F10.0
G03X-0.74Y-3.55I0.0103J0.0282
X-0.74Y-3.4562I0.J0.0469
X-0.7869Y-3.5031Z-1.25I0.J-0.0469
X-0.74Y-3.55Z-1.15I0.0469J0.
X-0.7297Y-3.5482I0.0J0.03
G01G40X-0.7399Y-3.5043
(STEPMIDDLE EXHAUST PORT)
G00Z.05
G54P2
G00X-0.0021Y-3.4788
G01Z-0.79F8.0
G41D159X-0.0181Y-3.5469F10.0
G03X-0.001Y-3.55I0.0172J0.0469
X-0.001Y-3.55I0.0001J0.0469
X0.0161Y-3.547I0.0001J0.05
G01G40X0.0006Y-3.4788
(STEPFINISH BOTTOM B180)
G00Z.05
G54P2
G00X-2.3Y2.0315
G01Z-1.725F100.0
G41D159X-2.1F25.0
X2.1
G40X2.2
(STEP FINISH BOTTOM B0)
G00Z2.0
G54P1
G00X-2.3Y2.0315
B0.
Z0.05
G01Z-1.8F100.0
G41D159X-2.1F25.0
X-1.5
X-0.85Z-1.5
X0.85
X1.5Z-1.8
X2.1
G40X2.2
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T58M6(0.315)
(STEP SPOT 2 HOLES)
G54P1
T57
G00G90X1.025Y-3.09S3000M03
B0.
G43Z.408H58M08
G98G82Z0.225R0.408P100F15.0
X-1.025
G80
(STEP CHAMFER 1.85 BORE)
G54P1
G00X0.0Y-0.6377
Z-2.382
G01Z-2.49F100.0
G41D158Y-0.8377F30.0
G03X0.0Y-0.8377I0.0J0.8577
G01G40Y-0.7877
(STEPCHAMFER 90)
G00Z3.
G54P3
G00X1.2475Y1.8815
B90.
Z0.05
G01Z-0.06F100.0
G41D158Y1.7815F30.0
Y1.0251
G03X1.2657Y0.996I0.0325J0.0
G02X1.13Y0.4125I-0.1357J-0.276
G01X0.97
G03X0.9375Y0.38I0.0J-0.0325
G01Y-0.66
G03X0.97Y-0.6925I0.0325J0.0
G01X1.13
G02X1.13Y-1.3075I0.0J-0.3075
G01X0.97
G03X0.9375Y-1.34I0.0J-0.0325
G01Y-1.6835
G03X0.9394Y-1.6943I0.0325J0.0
G01X1.3287Y-2.7858
G03X1.3593Y-2.8075I0.0306J0.0108
G01X1.44
G02X1.44Y-3.4225I0.0J-0.3075
G01X1.309
G03X1.2795Y-3.4413I0.0J-0.0325
G02X0.8645Y-3.7803I-0.5595J0.2613
X0.8043Y-3.7875I-0.0603J0.2503
G01X-1.87
G02X-1.9275Y-3.73I0.0J0.0575
G01Y-3.115
G02X-1.87Y-3.0575I0.0575J0.0
G01X-1.7679
G03X-1.7365Y-3.0336I0.0J0.0325
G02X-1.44Y-2.8075I0.2965J-0.0814
G01X-1.3593
G03X-1.3287Y-2.7858I0.0J0.0325
G01X-0.9394Y-1.6943
G03X-0.9375Y-1.6835I-0.0306J0.0108
G01Y-1.33
G03X-0.97Y-1.2975I-0.0325J0.0
G01X-1.13
G02X-1.13Y-0.6825I0.0J0.3075
G01X-0.97
G03X-0.9375Y-0.65I0.0J0.0325
G01Y0.38
G03X-0.97Y0.4125I-0.0325J0.0
G01X-1.13
G02X-1.2657Y0.996I0.0J0.3075
G03X-1.2475Y1.0251I-0.0143J0.0292
G01Y1.08
G40X-1.2975
(STEP CHAMFER BOSS B180)
G00Z3.0
G54P2
G00X-0.5Y1.0605
B180.
Z0.05
G01Z-0.085F100.0
G41D158X0.0F40.0
G02X0.0Y1.0605I0.0J-1.0605
G01G40X0.1
(STEPCHAMFER 1.616 BORE)
G00Z.05
G54P2
G00X-0.1433Y-0.6191
G01Z-0.13F100.0
G41D158X-0.1Y-0.6641F50.0
G03X0.0Y-0.6909I0.1J0.1732
X0.0Y-0.6909I0.0J0.6909
X0.0684Y-0.6788I0.0J0.2
G01G40X0.0872Y-0.652
(STEPCHAMFER -90 SIDE)
G00Z3.
G54P4
G00X1.4475Y1.05
B-90.
Z0.05
G01Z-0.06F100.0
G41D158X1.2475F30.0
Y1.0251
G03X1.2657Y0.996I0.0325J0.0
G02X1.13Y0.4125I-0.1357J-0.276
G01X0.97
G03X0.9375Y0.38I0.0J-0.0325
G01Y-0.64
G03X0.97Y-0.6725I0.0325J0.0
G01X1.13
G02X1.13Y-1.2875I0.0J-0.3075
G01X0.97
G03X0.9375Y-1.32I0.0J-0.0325
G01Y-1.6835
G03X0.9394Y-1.6944I0.0325J0.0
G01X1.3287Y-2.7909
G03X1.3593Y-2.8125I0.0306J0.0109
G01X1.44
G02X1.7365Y-3.0386I0.0J-0.3075
G03X1.7679Y-3.0625I0.0313J0.0086
G01X1.87
G02X1.9275Y-3.12I0.0J-0.0575
G01Y-3.73
G02X1.87Y-3.7875I-0.0575J0.0
G01X-0.8043
G02X-0.8645Y-3.7803I0.0J0.2575
X-1.2773Y-3.446I0.1445J0.6003
G03X-1.3066Y-3.4275I-0.0293J-0.014
G01X-1.43
G02X-1.43Y-2.8125I0.0J0.3075
G01X-1.3493
G03X-1.3187Y-2.791I0.0J0.0325
G01X-0.9395Y-1.6948
G02X-0.9394Y-1.6944I0.0543J-0.0188
G03X-0.9375Y-1.6835I-0.0306J0.0109
G01Y-1.33
G03X-0.97Y-1.2975I-0.0325J0.0
G01X-1.13
G02X-1.13Y-0.6825I0.0J0.3075
G01X-0.97
G03X-0.9375Y-0.65I0.0J0.0325
G01Y0.38
G03X-0.97Y0.4125I-0.0325J0.0
G01X-1.13
G02X-1.2657Y0.996I0.0J0.3075
G03X-1.2475Y1.0251I-0.0143J0.0292
G01Y1.7815
G40Y1.8315
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T57M6(TRIPPLE BORE)
(STEP TRIPPLE BORE)
G54P1
T56
G00G90X0.0Y0.0S1500M03
B0.
G43Z0.H57M08
G1Z-3.2F100.
G98G85Z-4.034F4.
G80
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T56M6(0.201)
(STEP DRILL 2)
G54P1
T55
G00G90X1.025Y-3.09S3000M03
B0.
G43Z.408H56M08
G98G83Z-0.292R0.408Q0.234F25.0
X-1.025
G80
(STEP 4 HOLES B0)
G54P1
G00X1.279Y-1.279
Z0.05
G98G81Z-0.55R0.05F60.0
X-1.279
Y1.279
X1.279
G80
(STEP SIDE HOLES B90)
G00Z2.0
G54P3
G00X1.13Y0.72
B90.
Z0.05
G98G81Z-0.58R0.05F60.0
Y-1.0
X1.44Y-3.12
X-1.44
X-1.13Y-1.0
Y0.72
G80
(STEPSIDE HOLES B-90)
G00Z2.0
G54P4
G00X1.13Y0.72
B-90.
Z0.05
G98G81Z-0.58R0.05F60.0
Y-1.0
X1.44Y-3.12
X-1.44
X-1.13Y-1.0
Y0.72
G80
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T55M6(0.25)
(STEP TAP SIDE HOLES B-90)
G54P4
T54
G00G90X1.13Y0.72S800M03
B-90.
G43Z0.1H55M08
M29S800
G98G84Z-0.51R0.1F40.0
Y-1.0
X1.44Y-3.12
X-1.44
X-1.13Y-1.0
Y0.72
G80
(STEP TAP 2)
G00Z2.
G54P1
G00X1.025Y-3.09
B0.
Z0.408
M29S800
G98G84Z-0.222R0.408F40.0
X-1.025
G80
(STEP TAP 4 HOLES B0)
G54P1
G00X1.279Y-1.279
Z0.05
M29S800
G98G84Z-0.48R0.05F40.0
X-1.279
Y1.279
X1.279
G80
(STEP TAP SIDE HOLES B90)
G00Z2.0
G54P3
G00X1.13Y0.72
B90.
Z0.1
M29S800
G98G84Z-0.51R0.1F40.0
Y-1.0
X1.44Y-3.12
X-1.44
X-1.13Y-1.0
Y0.72
G80
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T54M6(0.257)
(STEP DRILL MUFFLER HOLES)
G54P2
T53
G00G90X1.53Y-3.448S2000M03
B180.
G43Z.01H54M08
G98G81Z-0.84R0.01F40.
X-1.53
G80
(STEP DRILL 5-16 HOLES)
G54P2
G00X1.326Y-1.326
Z-0.14
G98G81Z-0.95R-0.14F40.
X-1.326
Y1.326
X1.326
G80
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M01
T53M6(0.312)
(STEP TAP 4 5-16 HOLES)
G54P2
T52
G00G90X1.326Y-1.326S720M03
B180.
G43Z-.14H53M08
M29S720
G98G84Z-0.89R-0.14F40.0
X-1.326
Y1.326
X1.326
G80
(STEP TAP MUFFLER HOLES)
G00Z.01
G54P2
G00X1.53Y-3.448
M29S720
G98G84Z-0.74R0.01F40.0
X-1.53
G80
M09
G00G91G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
M05
M1
T52M6(0.4375)
(STEPPORT 5)
G54P5
T60
G00G90X0.9133Y-3.28S3000M03
B94.
G43Z7.635H52M08
Z1.735
G01Z1.36F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.6617
Y0.093Z.6617F50.
(STEPPORT 6)
G90G00Z7.635
G54P6
G00X0.6115Y-3.273
B107.
Z1.695
G01Z1.5F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.4784
Y0.093Z.4784F50.
(STEPPORT 7)
G90G00Z7.665
G54P7
G00X0.2873Y-3.26
B117.
Z1.765
G01Z1.65F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.3471
Y0.093Z.3471F50.
(STEPPORT8)
G90G00Z7.665
G54P8
G00X-0.2873Y-3.26
B-117.
Z1.755
G01Z1.65F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.3471
Y0.093Z.3471F50.
(STEP9)
G90G00Z7.655
G54P9
G00X-0.6115Y-3.273
B-107.
Z1.695
G01Z1.5F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.4784
Y0.093Z.4784F50.
(STEPPORT10)
G90G00Z7.635
G54P10
G00X-0.9133Y-3.28
B-94.
Z1.735
G01Z1.36F2.5
G91Y-0.093Z-.6617
Y0.093Z.6617F50.
M09
G00G91G28Z0
M05
G91G28Y0
M1
M99
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O5012(CYLINDER OP 2)
M62
G00G91G80G40G28Z0
G00G91G28Y0
T60M6(1.25)
(STEP ENDS)
G54P11
T56
G00G90X2.05Y2.875S5000M03
B0.
G43Z0.1H60M08
G01Z-0.55F120.
G41D160Y2.775
G02X2.925Y1.9I0.0J-0.875
G01Y-1.9
G02X2.05Y-2.775I-0.875J0.0
G01G40Y-2.875
G00Z1.0
Y2.875
Z-0.525
G01Z-1.025F120.
G41D160Y2.775
G02X2.925Y1.9I0.0J-0.875
G01Y-1.9
G02X2.05Y-2.775I-0.875J0.0
G01G40Y-2.875
G00Z1.0
X-2.05
G01Z-0.55F120.
G41D160Y-2.775
G02X-2.925Y-1.9I0.0J0.875
G01Y1.9
G02X-2.05Y2.775I0.875J0.0
G01G40Y2.875
G00Z1.0
Y-2.875
Z-0.525
G01Z-1.025F120.
G41D160Y-2.775
G02X-2.925Y-1.9I0.0J0.875
G01Y1.9
G02X-2.05Y2.775I0.875J0.0
G01G40Y2.875
(STEP FACE)
G00Z1.0
G54P11
G00X0.4304Y0.0835
Z0.3
G01Z0.01F100.0
G41D160X0.95Y-0.2165F75.
G03X1.325Y0.0I0.125J0.2165
X1.325Y0.0I-1.325J0.0
X0.95Y0.2165I-0.25J0.0
G01G40X0.517Y-0.0335
G00X0.4304Y0.0835
G01Z0.0F100.0
G41D160X0.95Y-0.2165F75.
G03X1.325Y0.0I0.125J0.2165
X1.325Y0.0I-1.325J0.0
X0.95Y0.2165I-0.25J0.0
G01G40X0.517Y-0.0335
(STEP TERP OUTSIDE)
G00Z1.0
G54P11
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[drdos]

Sounds like you have a ladder issue. Sometimes when the ladder is poorly written it can have "race" rungs where timing can throw off the TF signal. When this happens you can "FIN" out the T-Code prematurely causing what you are seeing. And yes, it can be intermittent like you have. You will need a good ladder programmer to make sure that the T-Codes can not finish without first completing the tool change.

[Hermle UWF851]

Thank you for the reassurance that it can be a control issue. I'll see what I can find for a GOOD ladder guy.

[barbter]

We had the same issue only once though on a chevalier with a fanuc OiMC control. If you look on practical machinist in the cnc section there's a post about it.
The MTB's tech changed a timer threshold to cure the problem but I don't know what it was he changed. All very secretive I'm afraid.
HTH

[ad64075]

I have also had a similar issue, correction was a software update from the manufacturer. Presumably, a ladder change. For me, this only happend when running in high-speed machining mode, so the work-around was to simply include a G5P0 in my programs. But since your program does not seem to be using high-speed machining, I suppose this was just some useless info...

[antfriesen]

try separating your m-codes with either a dwell for no time, or simply g90 or g0. do something to prevent stacking more than 3 consecutive m code blocks.

I had the same issue once on a Kitamura My1 with OM control.
skipped the finish signal for tool preselect.

fanuc says never ever ever put a tool preselect on the same line as m6. probably can prevent the whole problem by simply going

t60
m6

instead of t60m6

[Hermle UWF851]

Thanks for the input. I'm somewhat saddened that the manufacturer had not gotten back to me. Even with a "That can never happen. You crashed it" statement. You guys simply put out suggestions. One will probably work. Since it is intermittent and had not happened since I posted this, who knows what worked. I will put T call and M6 in separate lines. Sounds safer. They actually were but I changed them to one line to try it. My other machines need them in one line for the M6 macro in case the called tool in in the spindle. Like a one tool program.

If something comes up, I'll keep you posted. Sounds like I'm not the only one in the world with a problem like this.

[Hermle UWF851]

I finally figured out the problem. It is a sticking solenoid valve that actuates part of the tool arm motion. It will require a ladder change because it does not know if the solenoid ever sticks. It needs to check for a complete signal or something.

The tool door opens, arm rotates to grab the tool. Then it is supposed to pull the tool out of the spindle and rotate to the new tool. This is where the valve sticks and does not make the motion to pull out of the spindle. It rotates back without changing tools and closes the door. It thinks it did a complete tool change. I watched it happen repeatedly. That is how I found the solenoid valve sticking.

So, my thought is that it rotates to the tool, a prox switch turns on, the machine then activates the (sticking) valve to move the tool arm out. It has a timer to check if that prox switch is on again thinking that in that time, the arm moved out and is back in. It should check that the switch went off first, then wait for it to come back on. That is where I'll ask the ladder Dude to start looking. It will be up to him how to accomplish it.

At least I now know.

Thanks manufacturer for getting back to me.

[stevo1]

Hermle,
Great find….good job. Thanks for posting your solution.

I am actually really surprised that it would still say it has T55 when it thinks it completed a tool change cycle to get T60.

In the wait time of getting the ladder fixed there are a few work arounds. If you have macroB programming in the control you can have it verify that it did actually complete the tool change grabbing the proper tool and if it did not have it alarm out so no further machining is done.

If you have a system variable that tracks the tool in the spindle then you could write something like this right after your M6T60 line.
IF[#1003NE60]GOTON()
Given #1003 is the variable that tracks the tool in the spindle. I would also probably move the IF statement a few lines down from the M6 as sometimes the system variables are not set before the IF statement is executed.

Stevo

[dpuch]

A few comments.

Hermle, being a stuck solenoid valve it should have effected all tools more or less randomly unless T55 or T60 are different. Retention knob damaged or loose, heavy tools, tool rotated 180 (keys backwards) ect. You may want to check if there was a "trigger" for the valve to not work where the other tools did.

I have had a similar problem as described in the original post. For me it has to do with pre calling the first tool at the end of the program, but then calling a different program that starts with a different tool. This is on a Toyoda FA400 with > 60 tools (different tool change mechanism and ladder than 40 or 60 tools) Anyhow it pre called the first tool (at the end of the program), then the second (beginning of the second program) before the first one finished. Sometimes it worked depending on how long it took to do the two pre calls. An easy workaround is to remove the precall at the end of the programs. This causes a little delay as the first toll is called but a lot less than the wrong tool. The correct solution as mentioned is better conditional checks in the ladder.

[Hermle UWF851]

I completely agree with both of you. One, why does he know he didn't change tools, yet keep machining. And as for the same tools doing it? When I posted, that was when I seen the problem first hand. When I actually found it was the valve, that was monday morning with a different tool. And it was (fortunately at the time) repeating until I manually pushed the valve. Then it worked. So, when it was T55 and T60 before, that might be between pallet changes when the operator let the machine sit a moment or, the pallet change dropped hydraulic pressure slightly and that afrfected the valve enough. Either way, at least I have a better idea where to look rather than having a ladder guy chase his tail.

[yours_prabhat]

re load the NC + machine data and option also parameter it will solve your issue , It is just an example of Jumping Blocks.(Do it if all mechanical parts are working), it will solve the Issue.

[stevo1]

re load the NC + machine data and option also parameter it will solve your issue , It is just an example of Jumping Blocks.(Do it if all mechanical parts are working), it will solve the Issue.

He already knows and stated it is a mechanical issue and not a parameter/PMC issue.

Stevo

[dpuch]

Good, it sounds like there can't be any doubt it is a damaged/faulty valve. Another suggestion is to carefully disassemble and inspect the valve for damage or foreign matter.

I had a stuck valve before, and replaced it, but the new one stuck also. After checking the new one we found a bit of pinched o-ring in it causing it to stick. The old one worked again as well. The object could move with the oil, or get trapped in the valve. It might be worth the time to look for it. If you pull the valve when it is jammed, you should have it in the valve.