[jalesjist]

Hi, guys, i am so glad to be here, though i don't want to post any sale posts, but i think if any one need good quality laser machines maybe i can offer some help.

Our Machines Includes: laser cutting machine, laser engraving machine, laser marking machine, laser etching/carving machine, laser welding machine , embroidery laser cutting machine,


Anyone have any question or interest please contact me freely at [email protected].

Or let me know

1. What machine do you need?

2. What materials will be processed? The size and thickness?

3. What is your business scope? Are you end user or reseller?

4. where are you ? and your email address.

I will be happy to let specialist to contact you to offer you all the information you need.


I will appreciate any reply to my post here . thanks in advance

Kind regards

Wayne

[kabli]

Hi all
I would like share my experience between and USA laser cuter (EPLOG 1280) and Chinese laser cuter from xyz-tech . (EXLAS).
We do architectural models and we did use the EPLOG for cutting and engraving mainly acrylic and soft wood. The decision come from me to employ a big laser cuter machine (120 cm*80 cm) . after a lot of browsing and checking throw alibaba.com we came to decision to order the EXLAS 1280 machine. One of the main decision was based in ordering from small or medium company size, as my business experience large company do not offer expellant online or distance after sails services. They need a local dealer to do that. We don’t have local Chinese dealer as far as I know in Saudi Arabia. We do have EPLOG one, and the service is bad unfortunately. I will be very short for the comparison according to my experience.
Laser tube.
EXLAS use 80w CO2 glass tube, it is much powerful, much more than we need actually, but we are pleased with the result in cutting 5mm acrylic from one pass,(speed 15. Power 40). With the EPLOG (30w RF tube) we need more than 5 pass same speed and 100 power (after 6 years of service) . I think RF tube are stable and can run for long time (10 hours or more) with no problems, CO2, I am not sure, we need more time to find out. And we don’t need too much time for cutting due to its high power any way, I do have plan to test it heavily and I will let you know in the future.
Engraving.
EPLOG can except 256 gray bit map directly from CorelDraw it simply make you life easy just print directly to the laser driver, laser will fire more points at dark areas. And less points at lighter, EXLAS laser cut 5.3 dos only use 2 bit files so you have to do it yourself and result are so similar, the result if favor to EPLOG, it really do semi 3D engraving feeling. But with some knowledge in Photoshop you can get excellent results with EXLAS. Put in your mind if you are doing only engraving 30w laser tube has sharper result and higher resolution.
Architecture.
EPLOG and EXLAS are so similar from my point of view. I am not and electrician or mechanical engineer, but I can have an overall feeling, EPLOG looks more hardly built, but it is smaller than the EXLAS, the EXLAS design is much beautiful (I am an architect) only the cover I don’t like, Bothe machine has pass throw material, lifting table at EXLAS has 2 motors, at EPLOG only one, and one day was broken and we replaced it.
Electrical and boards. Again from what I can see how the EXLAS are working it is smooth, and fast, no big deferent , but EPLOG movements seems to be smother. And less noisy. Maybe because it is smaller.
The electrical mother board and power supply, and X & Y & Z drive are located nicely at the side of the EXLAS, (and all other Chinese laser) EPLOG is under the RF laser at the back of the machine, it is mint to be like that so nobody play with it only their authorized engineers. EXLAS for me is better where I can do the maintenance much easily. At my town no EPLOG or any Chinese manufacture dealer are there. I do have to admit XYZ EXLAS have excellent online distance after sails service .
Working
We did use the EPLOG for 6 years, and EXLAS for only 4 months, it is not fair to do comparison hear, but I can assure you the next 6 months we will put the EXLAS to the extreme working environment. We do have plan to build a city model (7m by 4m) (22ft by 13ft) we will do thousand of small houses cutting and engraving, hopefully the EXLAS will do most of the job, as an professional I do not recommend one machine in an office for work. You have to put in your minds a down time is always happen, even when we have only the EPLOG. We do experience a power supply broking, working table motor broken, we did scratch one mirror, still we did not replaced it yet, so another machine will be very good.
Software.
EPLOGE has a printer driver, you can use it from coral auto cad directly, EXLAS use lasercut 5.3, it is similar to the very old coral program (DOS golden days if you are old) . You have to import artwork from coral and send it to lasercut, for me it is okay, I do prefer direct sending, but also the lasercut is doing fine, it has some bugs, (as any windows base programs). Do use it carefully under windows XP only. And do not load any memory base program while firing the laser. Spear cheep old Pentium PC only for the laser will be good idea,
Final
Final product results are very similar, but Chinese laser you have to do more study and tests until you can produce perfect cutting and engraving, USA laser are much easier, something like PC users, PC with old DOS operating system, and windows, Chinese laser You have to use it carefully, get an industrial water chiller, study will about laser safety. You will need it for when you replace the tube, or test the power voltage or when you place water very close to high voltage wiring.
Tomorrow at light time I will post pics about our old EPLOG, and EXLAS.
Thanks an sorry for long text and bad English

Mohammad Kabli
www.tcf.com.sa (Arabic only) we are doing English site please re visit soon.

[fantasy2]

Thanks for your review/comparison! The chinese machines indeed need more work to cut material and the software is crappy. I also wanted an epilog machine but the price was just too high to start my business with. I think that as long as you have technical skills and exactly know how the inner works, using a chinese machine for production is OK.

I used my 60Watt CO2 glass tube for about 8 hour yesterday non-stop, I still had enough power to cut through 5mm plexiglass. I'm using the more expensive industrial cooler that really cools the water instead of recirculation only. The water temperature is about 25 degree celsius continuously so that's nice.

[kabli]

Hi all
as I promise I am posting some of our early cutting and engraving using EXLAS 1280 Last cutting and engraving products..
1-Over look to the EXLAS . nicely design I have to admit.
2-inside motor very nicely fixed
3-provisional ball screw lifting table with 2 motor drive
4-side reflecting mirror, easy to be alignment.
5-excellent output cutting and engraving wood at very high speed.
6-side door looking to power supply and controller.

My over look of the machine and its performance for our work, we are very pleased with the results. Sharp and clean cutting acrylic and wood. Engraving we do need to do some tricks in Photoshop and get excellent result from the EXLAS. For any architect need to do models, I hardly recommended over the EPLOG, it is much easy to handle and faster and cheaper. My advice don’t get 80w power you will not need it , 60 is better for us, we do have plane to get smaller EXLAS 6040 instead of fixing our EPLOG, re filing the 25w laser and getting new mirror and lens will cost us more than 2.5k. adding lettil more than we will get new small EXLAS in office.
Mohammad

[muqtadir]

Hello Mohammad
Where are you located in the Kingdom ? I would like to see this fantastic machine.
A. Muqtadir

[kabli]

salam
we are in madinah, we do architectural modelin, you can email me at : [email protected]
mohammad Kabli

[vivinar]

hi,friend.
i just want to know,when you cut for much thinckness material,will you use belt or ballscrew,even ballscrew a little expensive than belt?
(group)

[EXLASer]

Hello Muqtadir,Hope you are doing well~
Please check new sample of EXLAS Laser Machine.
Best Regards
Mike

Hello Mohammad
Where are you located in the Kingdom ? I would like to see this fantastic machine.
A. Muqtadir

[FoamCaster]

WOW
Lots of reading just to say never buy Chinese, which is why I came here in the first place - to read about the Chinese lasers from Ebay

I bought a Chinese vinyl cutter (from a US distributor) - much to the disdain of everyone - and the "support" even from the distributor sucks, but a vinyl cutter with stepper motors is what it is, and anyone with half a brain can configure its limitations.. Suffice it to say, this machine has paid for itself 7, 8, 10-fold!

I haven't read all 57 pages, yet. There seems to be a lot of complaint from everyone about spiteful packaging and shipping details.

I used to order stuff from local, US dealers and have to wait 6-8 weeks for delivery. I have ordered from various China wholesalers things that arrive in 3 or less! Biggest (ONLY) problem I've ever had with customs is when ordering from Canada (I'm in the USA). (Namely, US Customs in Buffalo, NY) They were a bunch of ******** - I have no qualms about saying it because it is the truth.

I thought tho, for 600 bucks.. a toy laser might be fun to play with, but 600 is 600, and thought I'd read a little on the ol' 'Zone.. (man, I remember when this forum was smallish)!!

Okay - nuff said. Got like 40-ish pages left to read, here..

[rabbitlasermx]

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[varvaruk2007]

Hello guys,

I am writing to ask help with choosing a laser engraving machine.

I'm going to open a small busyness, I will perform engraving in glass (battles, wine glasses), phones, laptops, wood, painted wood, plastic, leather etc.
I can afford to spend about 7000 - 8000 $ for buying laser machine, I'd like working area about 18" x 12" (457 x 305 mm) or more.

I know that engraver from such companies as Epilog, GCC and Universal are good, but they are quite expensive for me (Epilog 45 watt MINI 18 cost around 11 500 $) .

What other companies that have a laser engraver machines similar to "Epilog Legend MINI 18" , but a little bit cheaper, can you suggest me???

[Rodney Gold]

25w will be enough for your applications. You wont need 45w unless you are intending to cut a lot. You can probably get a 25w machine much cheaper than a 45w one.

[Litografa]

Agree with Rodney - 25-30 Watts will be OK for most applications and 12 Wt also could be acceptable for start. Look on GCC C180 lasers.

[varvaruk2007]

Thanks for advices.

However GCC C180 lasers on ebay is 9 000$.

If I buy GCC C180 12 watt laser, can I change to 25 or 35 watt later?

Is it reasonable to buy some Chinese lasers for example iehk.com?

Is it risky to buy GCC C180 used one? What have I pay attention to?

[Rodney Gold]

You will get a 400 x 600 50w machine made by a reputable chinese co , along with enough spares and accesories to keep you up and running for less than $3000. Up to you as to how much handholding you will need and how handy you are with doing your own servicing and repairs as to whether this is an option

[Litografa]

What you write work well for USA, but will not work for this customer He will have extremely long and expensive delivery and final price will be twice higher than purchasing. And get new tube will be nigtmare for him.

[Rodney Gold]

Well, I live in South Africa , much further than Eastern Europe from China , and it's not a problem for me , 2 lasers will cost me $1500 all in shipping/clearing/duties etc.
I ordered my lasers with spare tubes , power supplies , belts , motherboards , stepper motors , bearings , lenses , mirrors , lcd panels , limit switches etc.
Total for a 1200 x 800 80w and a 900 x 600 60w + rotaries , + a gazillion spares for both etc is $9500 + 1500 freight etc. Still cheap....
I'm also going to China in April and will visit the factory (I've already checked the co out online , seen the machines , spoken to sales and tech reps on skype , spoken to others with the same stuff re service , trustworthiness , I have tried the machine with my own Corel files and am happy with the results - not as good as my Gcc's but perfectly acceptable)
I'm experienced in the laser field , not sure If I would go the Chinese machines route if I were starting out from scratch , I already have a large customer base and a very well established business , at those prices the machines are disposable to me , if I get a year or 2 use outa em , thats fine.

I too would suggest this user , if a "newbie" at it all , to go with an established mainstream make.

[Litografa]

Eastern Europe, especially CIS countries - unfortunately this is not SA. Freight will be more expensive, but most problematic will custom clearance and delivery from sea port to final destination by ground. Get glass tubes also will be not easy and cheap.
And you have money fly to China, check quality and etc. IMHO this is key difference between two purchase.

[varvaruk2007]

So, you say that buying A Chinese laser machine is reasonable due to the their low cost. Which chinese company do you advice to buy from: iehk.com hxlaser.com or hflaser.com?

I'd like to buy something like IE900 Laser engraver IEHK Laser & CNC Systems Co. Ltd: Laser Engraver, CNC router, Printer, Cutter Plotter ?

[fantasy2]

Someone asked me to cut 6mm and 12mm MDF. Has anyone experience with this? Maybe cut it in 3 or 4 steps? I have a chinese 60Watt CO2 laser.