[cnc_swe]

After a reload my NC data. Strange things happens with the file.
2010. I made a backupfiles of all NC-data and the softwares.
When I load the file today from my PC I see DUI was lighted but no file name was lighted on NC.
In this moment I don't care because I see the PC files loading now.

After the file was loaded I made a test to see if it works fine and it does.
Now after my test when I try to send back a copy to my PC I can see this don't works properly perfect.
Why copy it back. Because I have lot of corrupted files before and now I have one as works nice.
I going in to the setup mode as:
The I/O in security mode as key, eyes, enter, key/Initial_Clear.
Input_Output:
When I try to send any file from the softkeys was the screen behind all buttons was empty.

I check my old files and found out all have the file name spread out on the line. %TEA1 as % T E A 1
If I send same file but without spread out the name as: %TEA1 all work nice. I can se DIU and %TEA1 on the NC screen.

Any other how has seen or now this before.
Maybe I have wrong but It works on my GA3.
Let me now some more from you my friends

[Tale]

Greetings,

After Initial clear, your controller have factory default Data Input Output settings, and it is different than it was before (parity, baud rate, stop bits etc.). Change it in Setting Data/Common Bits according to your serial communication software. Spreading caracters
or double lines are usually connected to the same issue.
It is good to make backup of %MPF, %SPF, %SEA, %TEA1 (%TEA2),%TOA and mybe
%ZOA and %RPA.

Good luck!

[cnc_swe]

Tale, I think you was misunderstood me.
After I reload data to NC all works fine but when I make the backup from NC to PC the filename inside the file was spreadout as:
% T E A 1

Normal it should looks like this:
%TEA1

The NC understod the import data and drive all works as cnc but when I searched it on NC screen it was emty.
Even when I try to load up data from NC to PC. My question was.
Could it be that the damaged file name is made ​​that the machine could no longer get information from their library / area.
Please show how a file should look like if you want to fill up all the data at once after TEA1, TEA2 and PCP are charged.
I have previously done so and it has worked.

See the supplied text file what I mean.

[cnc_swe]

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[Tale]

I think that if you skip M02n in TEA everything is going wrong.

Notice:
Siemens data transfer obviously need:
1. %XXX string as address and start of writing/reading
2. M02, M2, M30 or M17 for the end of writing/reading

XXX are MPF SPF TEA1 TEA2 TOA ZOA RPA

If you have file without ending string (M2,M30,M17) controller will use its name and
will add content of next %XXX with correct end as part of itself. In this case % means nothing, S-speed P-repeating number F-feed, T-tool, E-radius, M-misc. etc.
It is not easy for me to explain, but here is short example:

%SPF 100
N0005 R110=1 L934
N0010 L999
N0015 M17

%SPF 101
GG54XY

%SPF150
( 007.1405157-6 )
X508.76 Y35.58 ( 1 )
L= R28
X441.67 Y255.00 ( 2 )
L= R28
M17

If I transfer %SPF100, %SPF101 and %SPF150 together, and %SPF101 does not have
M17, in this case, in subprogram memory you will see:

L100
L101

but L150 does not exist and its content will bee added to L101.

If you open L101 you will see:
%SPF 101
GG54XY
% S P F150
( 007.1405157-6 )
X508.76 Y35.58 ( 1 )
L= R28
X441.67 Y255.00 ( 2 )
L= R28
M17

If you wish, send me your backup to see whole picture.

[cnc_swe]

Tale, you are right about M02, M2, M30 or M17 . I understand it when I saw your example. I send you a message but hold the thread open to all other.
A few question:
If I send the file TEA1 from PC to NC how should the very first line looks like. Is it %MFP TEA1 , %MFPTEA1 or %TEA1
The last time when I load up to NC I use %TEA1 but when I read some old papers it confusing me. Do you now or any other.

I found an old papers today from year 2005. It was the very first out printinging from my NC, the TEA1 and TEA2.
I think I understand why the very first line is diffrent when I return it to the PC. As the old DOS command copy get same file name as the old but even add a number to the file, as file2.txt
When I send out %TEA1 data from NC to PC I see the name was % T E A 1 This was about when I talking about the spread out line or text.

[Tale]

cnc_swe, just for make things clear:

%MPF**** is address for your job program (Main Program File)
%SPF*** is address for your job suprogram or Sinumerik cycle (Sub Program File)
%TEA1 is address for your's NC-machine data (TEsting data Active)
%TEA2 is address for your's PLC-machine data (TEsting data Active)
%SEA is address for your's machine setting data (SEtting data Active)
%ZOA is address for zero offset G54-G57 data (Zero Offset Active)
%TOA * is address for tool correction data (Tool Offset Active)

Good time for making backup of TEA1, TEA2 and SEA is when your machine is working fine. It is for safety reason (battery, PLC fault...). Normally, it is enough to store it once.

MPF and SPF are your jobs, and after fine tuning during first executions is good to store
it as optimised programs for repetition some other time.

I looked on my backups of TEA1, TEA2 and SEA and find that all first lines are spreaded as yours and look like:

% T E A 1
N 0 =1000
N 1 =100
N 2 =1000
.
.
.
N6497 =00000000
N6498 =00000000
N6499 =00000000
M02

% T E A 2
N 0 =0
N 1 =0
N 2 =0
.
.
.
N8097 =00000000
N8098 =00000000
N8099 =00000000
M0


% S E A
N 0 =800
N 1 =0
N3000 =-99999999
N3001 =-99999999
.
.
.
N5772 =00000000
N5773 =00000000
N5774 =00000000
M02

Remember that after Initial clear all MPF and SPF are deleted and you need to reload it.
SEA is also changed to Siemens default and need to be reloaded.

[cnc_swe]

Thanks for a great job Tale.

I see that I miss SEA file.
Normally after I loaded all the parameters, I get put in the general axis data
Min -99999999 into XYZ and Max 99999999, spindle data. Is this the same as the SEA?

Anybody how have the SEA file and even explain some parameter it if possible.

Below my TEA1 and TEA2

[cnc_swe]

Eventually I got everything to work out an error in the Y-axis. The machine compensates for the backlash, but I added some value.
So the question is to what parameter to write this in. Quick Read review GA3 Part 2 manual but found nothing there.
Perhaps in the SEA. Sorry no answer for its content yet.

As compensation in the Y-axis jumps 3-4mm, I can not use the machine regardless of whether you are running circles or
driving where you change values ​​in Y. Do you have any idea that can help me along the way .....


Well no after som google I found the TEA1 have this parameter N 2201 =1024. If I understand 220-1 i just Y-axis.
I have not test it yet so the question is open.

[gridley51]

Well no after som google I found the TEA1 have this parameter N 2201 =1024. If I understand 220-1 i just Y-axis.

I have not studied your problem but I would think Parameter N2201 = 1024 refers to encoder counts as that is a fairly standard number for Siemens.
You have to go and study the parameters for axis data.

[cnc_swe]

Hi, gridley51

I change the N2201 =1024 to 0 and then the backlash compansation was 0 and it it's possible that it is not a compensation but
it apparently affects my Y-axis negative in both directions. I made no measurements of how much the shaft went wrong but if it
is zero as the other axes in that band so absent the bias that previously existed.

there are new surprises every time I load onto TEA1 TEA2 and PCP.
Later, everything worked except my error text that is in the PCA and after an additional formatting, etc.,
everything works except I can not start the spindle, but that command should well be referred to the PLC PCP file.
Entrusted to my charge in 1200 baud, I have thoughts on this is a limit in my machine.

[Tale]

cnc_swe,

1. Do you have backup of TEA from your machine when everything worked good?
2. Check settings of serial communication
3. Check accuracy of serial communication by sending long
MPF with simple repetitive data created in Notepad:

%MPF1
X111.111 Y222.222 Z333.333
X111.111 Y222.222 Z333.333
X111.111 Y222.222 Z333.333
.
.
X111.111 Y222.222 Z333.333
M30

Read out that MPF and compare files to be sure that you have the same data in both
directions.

[cnc_swe]

Tale,
The %MPF1 files never going wrong or make any error then I load as %...M02/M30

please read my previous posts.

do you have any SEA file that I can see the contents in. I do of course my add manually but it would be
easier to see how it should look like, even if they are not exactly alike.

[Tale]

Did you receive manual 338_810_820_GA3_Installation_Instructions.pdf
I sent it to 3000cnc today ?

[cnc_swe]

Thanks for the file Tale!

I know a serviceman who works with CNC controls, and asked him today because it seemed almost impossible to find the answer to all my problems.
According to him, there are two tables with the same number in. TEA1 and what you fill in the communication

One may well ask why Siemens chose to use the same series of numbers, although there are in different tables. If,
instead, chosen as 15 000, it would probably not have created this confusion.

Another thing that may not be obvious, it is that in TEA1 (NCMd) parameter 5012 that should have bit 7 to 1. (5012-10000000)
means you get the text in the example substitution of a spindle. (default is 5012-00000000)
If set to "0" will be a number to show his face instead of the selected gear. Instead of (6012) if I remember correctly.
However, you can see that the button is flashing and waiting for return regardless of bit 7 is 0 or 1.

If you have problems like this anyway, it may be that the text field is not formatted in Mode Safe Mode (eye-key ...) see Formatting text-tick reboot.


MD, Machine Data.
SD, setting data
and the operationg data according below.

These pieces have nothing to do with TEA1 or TEA2. It's just that communication via RS232 / V24. All you need to fill in the machine data bits
--------------------------------
5000 00000110
5001 00000011
5010 00000000
5011 11000100 (meaning COM1, 1200,-even, 7, 2)
5012 00000000
5013 11000100 (meaning COM1, 1200,-even, 7, 2)
5016 00101000 (RTS)
5028 00000011 5017--5028 printer,fax ...

[Louis1967]

Dears,
I see you are in the forum for very long time and maybe you have answer for my problem on SINUMERIK 810 GA3 T

I pushed the button "LOAD NC STANDARD MACHINE DATA" by mistake, without any connection on PC. After this I have messages 70**. What did I loose in the machine data? In order to go manually in the machine data and fix it. I have the data files of the machine.

[cnc_swe]

Hi Louise1967,
is the 70** all you can see on the screen?

I have reload my 810m a lot of time becaurse the battery was dead and I don´t drive this machinery every day so I an´t see the BAT lamp glowing up (lit up).
I´m not shore if you lost all data. You must let me now if you can find out any more in another screen Pictures.
If I remember correctly, you will usually get the error message on either the X or Y axis.

If this has happened, you need to fix a Cabel suitable for RS232 -> PC RS232 or USB, and all programs like TEA1 or TEA2 + PLC-data. Do you have this?

Normaly the first the machin do is formated the disk (PROM) becaurse next step is to reload all info again.