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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith577 View Post
    I really am excited that this might actually work.
    I started on the plate for the 2 stage air cylinder and took some cuts. I put a tool in, fully inserted it using the gripper with the balls and then manually tightened the bolt on top of belville washers with a wrench. No problem taking .2" cut with a glacern 4" face mill at 6000 rpm- it is holding just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gt40 View Post
    I used a telescoping bore tool and my mitsumoto quikmic to take the measurement......
    Many thanks
    Eoin

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    UPDATE:

    My effort to convert my RF45 clone to bt30 with a power draw bar works. I am really happy because bt30 tooling is plentiful and cheap

    Video below:




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    Fantastic, great to see it working! I had seen some other ball gripper attempts that in the end proved not to be so great, so well done!

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    Looking good. ...well done
    Eoin

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    Update:

    I cleaned up everything with the enclosure and things are starting to come together. A few pics of the mill in it's current state with a power drawbar, one shot oiler, enclosure and diy fog buster with pressurized coolant:

    Shot of the mill head with the bt30 power drawbar installed:





    Belleville springs:



    Overview shot showing the enclosure. You can also kind of see the 3.5" head extension. I am getting a full 12.75" of Y travel now. I will need to make a fixture plate to take full advantage. Considering these mills have 8" of y travel, this is really awesome:




    Power drawbar switch. I ended up using a foot pedal momentary pneumatic switch. Seems more robust than the toggle type and the price is right:




    Diy fog buster built out of scrap 1/8" npt plumbing parts I had around and a mig nozzle tip. I forgot to snap a pic of the pressurized coolant tank but it is a whole house water filter housing modified with a pick up tube. compressed air goes in and forces the coolant out through the pick up tube connected to the top. The needle valves allow for both pressure and fluid level adjustments. Works really well:




    Thanks for looking...
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  7. #87
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    Now the the mill is functional, I have been busy learning to make stuff with it. Currently I am working on making 4 lights for the front bumper of my truck.

    This is my first attempt to make a light entirely with cnc. It is designed to fit flush in the front Addictive Desert Design bumper on my ford Raptor truck. When I ordered the bumper, I had them make a custom plate so I could mount lights in the bumper itself. The lights will be cerakoted and each light is a triple xm-l board running task led driver. The body of the light is designed to fit tight in the bumper and transfer heat to the bumper as well as act as a heat sink.

    Rendering:

    Top:


    Bottom:


    Machined top:


    Bottom:


    Test fitting in the bumper:



    There will be 4 of these to fit in the cutouts on the bumper. Should be 10k + lumens with the flick of a switch.

    Video of the part being machined:





    I will post more after I make the back. The whole light will then be cerakoted and mounted.

    FYI, It took 1 hour to measure and draw the part in cad and 15 minutes to machine the top + 5 minutes to setup and cut and profile the bottom hole. I am really happy to be able to draw something out and actually see it take form. The best part was drawing it out in cad and then seeing the finished part fit perfect.

    Thanks for looking

  8. #88
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    gt40,

    Any updates to your build thread?

    Great pics and video of your first project for your Ford Raptor.

    Tell us more about the 12.75" of Y-travel. I see you have a head spacer, but I don't see a column spacer? Had you increased the Y-travel before you went with the head spacer? If yes, what was that pre-spacer Y-travel?

    Also loved the home-built sheet metal brake.

    Titaniumboy

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    I have a ZX45 mill and I extended the Y travel a bit, but basically what happens if you go too far towards the 12 inch mark is that half of the Y slide ends up hanging off in thin air in front of the base.



    Quote Originally Posted by Titaniumboy View Post
    gt40,


    Tell us more about the 12.75" of Y-travel. I see you have a head spacer, but I don't see a column spacer? Had you increased the Y-travel before you went with the head spacer? If yes, what was that pre-spacer Y-travel?



    Titaniumboy

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Update:

    After a year and a half, the ball gripper is failing. The issue is the hardened balls are deforming the inside of the spindle and it fails to eject or receive a tool at times. I got a chinese petal clamp and am going to try to retrofit it.

    Will post more after I receive the clamp.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    have you thought about using a hardened sleeve to protect the spindle?

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Great thread. Is it just me or does it look like that bumper was tack welded together? Your custom lights are pretty slick.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Runner4404spd View Post
    have you thought about using a hardened sleeve to protect the spindle?
    It is pretty cramped in there with the stock 30 taper spindle but I am going to take measurements when I get the petal style gripper. The main issue is the ball bearings are hard on not only the spindle but the pull studs and they are deforming slowly too.


    Quote Originally Posted by chevydyl View Post
    Great thread. Is it just me or does it look like that bumper was tack welded together? Your custom lights are pretty slick.
    Thanks for the light comments. As far as the bumper, it is an Addictive Desert Designs venom and is pretty well built actually.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    is there a reason you didn't use commercially available pull studs? also would you be willing to share your prints of the mods since your going to the petal clamp?

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Quote Originally Posted by Runner4404spd View Post
    is there a reason you didn't use commercially available pull studs? also would you be willing to share your prints of the mods since your going to the petal clamp?
    I used Emco F1 P50 pull studs because I found a batch cheap on ebay and they looked like they would fit:

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    How many and what are the p/n numbers for the Belleville washers. I am trying to accomplish the same type of pull stud gripper and am having difficulty trying to figure out the right amount and right lbs for bellvilles.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Quote Originally Posted by native34 View Post
    How many and what are the p/n numbers for the Belleville washers. I am trying to accomplish the same type of pull stud gripper and am having difficulty trying to figure out the right amount and right lbs for bellvilles.
    I forget the exact number but theres pics on this thread somewhere you should be able to count. Here is the one I ordered:

    McMaster-Carr

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    when installing these washers how did you go about tightening them or torqueing them to get the correct preload? Did you torque them to a specific torque spec and if so how do I determine what that is?

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Quote Originally Posted by native34 View Post
    when installing these washers how did you go about tightening them or torqueing them to get the correct preload? Did you torque them to a specific torque spec and if so how do I determine what that is?

    I used enough washers so the they were half way compressed under load and just adjusted it till it released.

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    Re: PM45m(rf45 clone) cnc build log with factory 3hp variable speed

    Thank you for your help, the info is greatly appreciated. Now hopefully I can make some progress with this auto tool changer.

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