[elsanch]

Hello Citizen gurus,
I am wondering if anyone can send me a sample program of using the sub spindle for support "WITHOUT" using a G650 pick-off code? I am trying to support for a milling operation, and use the same support position to thread the end of the part, then open the sub spindle collet and creep up with a G650 for pick-off.

($1 SIDE)
.
.
.
N40 (Thread)
T400
G97S1=900M3S2=900M24
G0 X[#814+.05] Z4.500 (POSITION POINT/START OF THREAD)
!2L100 (wait for sub to position)
!2L200 (START THREAD CYCLE)
G1 X.380 F.001
G32 X.367 Z4.950 F.0416
X.364
X.361
X.358
X.355
X.352
X.349
X.346
X.343
X.340
X.337
X.334
X.331
X.328
X.325
X.324
X.324
G0X[3814+.1]
$2L300 (WAIT)
$2L400



($2 SIDE)
G28W0.
T3000
G50Z0.
M16 (SUB COLLET OPEN)
M72(AIR ON)
MXX<<<INSERT CODE TO SYNCH. SPINDLE SPEEDS HERE
!1L100 (WAIT FOR $1)
GO WX.XX (SET-SUPPORT POSITION W3.450 EXAMPLE)
G4U1.
M73(AIR OFF)
M15 (CLOSE SUB COLLET)
MXX<<<(INSERT CODE TO SYNCH. Z1 AND Z2 HERE)
$1L200 (START THREAD CYCLE)
$1L300
MXX (INSERT CODE TO CANCEL Z1 AND Z2 SYNCH HERE)
M16 (SUB COLLET OPEN)
MXX<<<(INSERT CODE TO CANCEL SPINDLE SYNCH HERE)
G0 W-X.XX (RETRACT SAME AMOUNT I.E. W-3.450)
$1L400


THANKS GUYS

[danrudolph]

Just curious, why no G650? I have a part that is supported with the sub during basically the whole program and uses G650 the whole time, works great.

You have the right idea there.

G814 is used for spindle sync, not an M code.
M131/M130 is Z1-Z2 sync on/off.

Not sure how you position the sub at a given spot on your part without G650 or just guessing using a Z2 move.

[elsanch]

i was told the L20 wont allow me to mill, or thread while in G650 mode beacause of my workshift W-.600 (for the face of part to come out in-line with the centers of the live tools). is that so? otherwise i can use a G650 and tell the sub spindle exactly where i want it to support. the "W" move i was going to use is "handle" the subside to a safe guessing point and start from there. thank you for the other codes.!

[elsanch]

Would I have to use theis line for support?

G114.1H1D-2

whats a G811? G810?

[danrudolph]

I am used to the Fanuc controlled Citizens, not Mitsu controls.

G114/G814 are both spindle sync commands.

My A20 (again Fanuc controlled) handles the G650 with coordinate shifts just fine. My method is to pick up the part without a coordinate shift, apply the shift then call the live tools. I have never gone into G650 with a shift active.

Check your L20 program manual for the specific codes, but same principles apply.

[SirDenisNayland]

i was told the L20 wont allow me to mill, or thread while in G650 mode beacause of my workshift W-.600 (for the face of part to come out in-line with the centers of the live tools). is that so? otherwise i can use a G650 and tell the sub spindle exactly where i want it to support. the "W" move i was going to use is "handle" the subside to a safe guessing point and start from there. thank you for the other codes.!

This is false, just think about it for a second, how else would you cutoff with a left hand cutoff?. Just make sure you enable your shifts after you enable g650.

[CitizenBrian]

When you use your sub as support during a live tool that has a shift then your "Z" zero is going to be off because of the shift. You will need to use a false Z value when you go in to support. For example if you want to hold on to .250 of the part you will have to tell the machine to go to -.750, you will have to play around to get the exact value.

[Ned-Dragon]

TRY THIS(PROGRAM NOT TESTED)

$1
M52
M9M6M97M87M118
G113
G50Z-.005
G0X.4Z-.05
G99

M3S1=5000
T0200(F/T - R.008 )
G0X.4Z0T02
X.32
G1X-.016F.003
G1X.161, A30.0
Z.3
G1X.312, R.03
W.015
G0X.4 Z-.05T0

M3S=S2000
T0400(THREADER 8 - 32 )
G0X.4Z-.05T04
X.2
G4U.5
G76P010015Q.003R.001
G76X.1257Z.25P.0192Q.0083F.03125
G0X.4 Z-.05T0

M3S1=5000
T0200(RETURN D.B. )
G0X.4Z.038T02
X.18
G1X.161F.005
G1Z0, A-45.0 F.003
G1X-.016
G0X.161Z-.01
G1Z.3F.005
G0X.4 Z-.05T0

M3S=S2000
T0400(RETURN D.B. )
G0X.4Z-.05T04
X.2
G4U.5
G76P010015Q.005R.001
G76X.1257Z.25P.0192Q.0083F.03125
G0X.4 T0

M3S1=5000
T0200(RETURN )
G0X.4Z.27T02
X.31
G1X.310F.003
Z.3
G1X.312, R.03
Z3.
G1 X.25,A330.0
Z3.587
G0X.4
Z2.47
T0
/////////////////////
G650
!L1
/////////////////////
G98
M5
M58S3=4000
T0700(.250 EMILL )
M18C0
G0X.4Y-.5Z2.0905T07
X.25
Y.5F10.
G0X.4
M18C180.
Y-.5
X.25
Y.27F10.
G0X.4T0
G99M60
!L12
!L13
G600


M3S1=2000
T0400(THREADER 5/16X.32)
G0X.35Z2.47T04
G4U1.
//////
G650
G114.1H1D-2
!L2
//////
G4U.5
G76P010015Q.003R.001
G76X.2614Z3.05P.0256Q.0094F.04166
G0X.4T0


T0200(RETURN D.B. )
G0X.4Z.27T02
X.32
G1X.310F.003
Z3.
G1 X.25,A330.0
Z3.587
G0X.4
Z2.47
T0


T0400(THREADER-RETURN D.B)
G0X.35T04
G4U.5
G76P010015Q.003R.001
G76X.2614Z3.05P.0256Q.0094F.04166
G0X.4T0

T0100(C/O .087/R.008)
G0X.48Z3.587T01
M3S1=3000
M77
X.32
G1X.165F.001
X.25
W-.038
G1XU-.038W.038F.001
G1X-.05F.002
G600
G113
M8
M8
/M98P8999
M9
M9
M5
M7
G0X-.05Z-.005T0
M56
G999
M5
N999
M2
M99

----------------------------------------------
$2
G50Z0
M98H1
M25
M16
T3000
//////////
G650Z1.
!L1
M15
!L12
M16
G4U.5
!L13
600
//////////////
;
T3000(COLLET.312)
G50Z0
G650Z1.
M24S2=2000
M72
G0Z-.05
G98G1Z1.8F100.
M77
G4U.5
M15
!L2
M73
G600
M25
G50Z0
G999
M98H1
M53
N999
M2
M99


N1
M72
M33
M10Z1.3
M16
G4U2.
M11
M73
T3000
G50Z0
M99