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  1. #1
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    Arrow Running out of END MILLs...

    This pic has two diferent files. One ramped and moved in the Z as it should and the other didn't move in Z untill the rams were done.??? I cant see the diference????
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Z Ramps Compair.jpg  
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    The code looks correct in that you are receiving Z movements on each line in which the machine should be interpreting those to move the axis' at the same time. Is this the way that all of you 3 axis movements generally look? Is this how you would hand program the machine if you had to or is there a variable that needs to be called out in the post that is not there that would trigger all your axis' to function at the same time? Is this type of movement supported by the machine?

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    I'm sort of lost... The one on the right worked... left didn't. Only diference is left is a tight circle/oval and right is a large circle....
    here is what the Control needs.... and seems to have....

    G02 = Circular interpolation (CW)
    Format: X__Y__I__J__ I,J are relative distance from start to center.
    Incremental Z can be added for helical designs. Important: The G02/03
    commands must be written with X value Y Value I Value and J value on every
    line for it to work properly. If you place a Z coordinate on the same line,
    that will command the toolpath to run a helical program with X Y and Z running at the
    same time.
    G03 = Circular interpolation (CCW)

    I have some video that I think I can load here... Think I can... Is the key phrase....

    The one thing I dont get.... At the end of the spiral ramp to depth.... What made it go to the depth??? IE it finished the ramp to the depth needed (middle line N70) and then plunged to that depth and went along to mill that out.Line N70 is the same as every one of them above it... and the moves to remove the material at that depth doesnt have a Z value in them.
    The last plunge or third in case fould the bit and it couldn't remove matterial and snapped. That being my fault for not stopping it. It did ok before so I really wanted to see if it cut through the teeth again.
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    Hold the show a sec... Just watched the video and I think I'm displaying the left side and right... wrong.. I have to check some stuff... But think those are pocket profiles, and the one messing up is the high speed pocket....
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    OK yes I most certainly did !! The picture above shows code for the inner circle which is just BobCads pocketing feature. Because the HighSpeed feature wouldn't generate code for them. The code where it is not going down in Z (below) is the Highspeed feature or outside of the portion of the part... So basically the HighSpeed Feature is not working at all.!! I'm going to see if I can find another mill and do it again without HSP...
    Sorry for the mix up... well fooled myself as well.... Here is the code from the HSP ramp down without Z moving....

    N291 X0.3171 Y-0.0713 Z-0.4343
    N292 X0.3225 Y-0.0399 Z-0.436 Here,end of inner circle. Note.436 is total depth
    N293 G02 X0.3225 Y-0.0399 I-0.3225 J0.0399 F22.3
    N294 G01 X0.1985 Y-0.0245
    N295 G02 X0.1985 Y-0.0245 I-0.1985 J0.0245
    N296 G01 X0.0744 Y-0.0092
    N297 G02 X0.0744 Y-0.0092 I-0.0744 J0.0092
    N298 G00 Z0.1 Rise to clearence to start HSP part of the program(outer teeth)
    N299 S2360
    N300 G90 X1.2969 Y-0.2597
    N301 G01 Z0.01 F36.8
    N302 G03 X1.1844 Y-0.1472 I-0.1125 J0. F8.9
    N303 X1.0719 Y-0.2597 I0. J-0.1125 (Note there is no Z on each line.)
    N304 X1.1844 Y-0.3722 I0.1125 J0.
    N305 X1.2969 Y-0.2597 I0. J0.1125
    N306 X1.1844 Y-0.1472 I-0.1125 J0.
    N307 X1.0719 Y-0.2597 I0. J-0.1125
    N308 X1.1844 Y-0.3722 I0.1125 J0.
    N309 X1.2969 Y-0.2597 I0. J0.1125
    N310 X1.1844 Y-0.1472 I-0.1125 J0.
    N311 X1.0719 Y-0.2597 I0. J-0.1125
    N312 X1.1844 Y-0.3722 I0.1125 J0.
    N313 X1.2969 Y-0.2597 I0. J0.1125
    N314 X1.1844 Y-0.1472 I-0.1125 J0.
    N315 X1.0719 Y-0.2597 I0. J-0.1125
    N316 X1.1844 Y-0.3722 I0.1125 J0.
    N317 X1.2969 Y-0.2597 I0. J0.1125
    N318 X1.1844 Y-0.1472 I-0.1125 J0.
    N319 X1.0719 Y-0.2597 I0. J-0.1125
    N320 X1.1844 Y-0.3722 I0.1125 J0.
    N321 X1.2969 Y-0.2597 I0. J0.1125
    N322 X1.2406 Y-0.2034 I-0.0562 J0. F36.8
    N323 G01 X1.2378 Y-0.2292 Z-0.099 F32. NOTE Clearence is 0.100 Not 0.099
    N324 X1.23 Y-0.3009
    N325 X1.2272 Y-0.3267 Z-0.1013
    N326 G03 X1.2942 Y-0.2839 I0.0121 J0.0549 F16.4 NOTE I changed all 22.3 to 16.4's in case anyone noticed the missing 22.3
    N327 X1.2548 Y-0.1719 I-0.1099 J0.0242 F8.7
    N328 X1.0804 Y-0.3026 I-0.0704 J-0.0877 F17.4
    N329 X1.0883 Y-0.3161 I0.052 J0.0215 F11.4
    N330 X1.1812 Y-0.3091 I0.0441 J0.0349 F36.8
    N331 G01 X1.1937 Y-0.2873 Z-0.0545 F32.

    So there ya have it... going to look at the cut through the teeth and I bet there is a missing Z in the line.... that should bring it to clearence before its rapid over....
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    OK I just posted out using High Speed pocketing and then did it in basic pocket. It seems that the HSP feature is ignoring BobCads settings such as feeds and speeds limits and such. Why it doesnt post Z codes on each line as the post for my machine tells it to do... I think.... Basic does it.
    Ran both through Predater Editor.... HSP mill time... 19:54 Basic pocket Mill time 07:47
    There is definately something wrong here... or its not so high speed....

    OK so I have no more 1/4 mills.... So I going to change to 5/16 and finish with 3/16 using the basic pocket feature and send it to the machine... Will let you all know.
    Thanks for your time with my bumbling around....
    Doug
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    Thanks for the info, we ll all learn something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin 007 View Post
    OK I just posted out using High Speed pocketing and then did it in basic pocket. Doug
    Attach your post processor here...

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    Burrman I just postedit and files in 3rd times a charm.... just below this thread... thanks
    Using CNC Masters Supra Knee Mill, 4 Axis vari speed. Bob Cad V-23, V26, Bob Art

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin 007 View Post
    Burrman I just postedit and files in 3rd times a charm.... just below this thread... thanks
    See here:

    http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1217539-post9.html

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