[Don Clement]

Acknowledging our shortcomings if a good step in the right direction

Sounds like step 5.

[Don Clement]

I had to use my P38 until my wife was able to find an American can opener in a thrift store.

Yep you just can't beat the old USA made Swing-A-Way or the old USA made Corning Ware. Things aren't what they seem anymore... Nowadays most Pyrex is not even borosilicate glass but made of plain tempered glass.

Don

[philbur]

It is a possibility Don, but it is a possibility we probably have to live with. At the moment we appear to work on the basis that any stranger in town is guilty until proven innocent, follow by mob rule and a lynching.

Phil

There is the possibility that some anonymous posters are not what they appear to be. I would not put it past a competitor to pose as a new Tormach owner ostensibly posting a litany of vague complaints about a newly purchased machine.
Don

[sperman]

I couldn't agree more. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to chastizing a newcomer who is bad mouthing this great equipment.

I agree that the first suggestion a newcomer should be given would be to contact the folks at Tormach and see what they have to say before bringing their problems here.

I know it would be really frustrating to have a brand new machine and get it hooked up and ready to run at 5:00 PM on Friday afternoon on the west coast and learn there is a problem.

Now you have a real dilema. Tormach is closed for the weekend, you have this beautiful brand new machine sitting on your garage floor with a stack of material sitting next to it and the coolant pump won't communicate with the spindle motor or some other weird symptom. You have no idea what the problem is and there is no one to ask until Monday morning. But Monday morning you have to go to work at your day job because if your boss at the machine shop where you make money to support your wife and 2.3 kids and pay the mortgage on your house that you're upside down in found out that you now have a machine in your garage, is going to do one of three things. #1, he's going to wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor, #2, he's going to offer offload work for you, or #3 he's going to fire you.

Offload would be better for him because now he gets more time from you whthout having to pay you overtime.

Rather than come on here and tell us what a piece of junk these machines are, wouldn't it be better to discribe your problem and let someone on this forum try to help? I know that would come across a lot better to me.

I remember the last gentleman had a problem with the switch on the door that covers the spindle motor. A $5.00 switch. Rather than just go buy a switch and replace it, he made comments as to how cheap the switch was and that the machine is made in China.

Well guys, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Remember when stuff started coming from Japan in the early 60's? Remember the first Honda cars in the early 70's? Remember the first transistor radios? How about the first hand held calculator? Well, stuff from China is heading that way as well. Their quality is improving by leaps and bounds.

How many of you have iPods, iPhones, or iPads. They were designed in the good old USA, but they are all made in China.

So next time someone comes on here chastizing these great machines, let's at least try to help the guy out.

I will.

Steve

Steve,

A few months ago I asked a simple question about making a change in Mach 3. I didn't say anything negative about the Tormach product, but you decided the best response would be to call me names. How was that helpful to me, or productive for this forum?

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormac..._mach_3_a.html

[ger21]

I'll say it one more time.
Please REPORT inappropriate posts, and they'll be removed. Don't reply and add additional flames to the fire.
From know on every post deemed inappropriate by me will result in one warning, followed by removal from the forum.
No excuses, no second chances.

Think carefully before you type.

[ger21]

And if any smart ass comments are directed at me, I'll skip the warning.

[SCzEngrgGroup]

Gerry,

Thank you!

Regards,
Ray L.

[waltpermenter]

I'll say it one more time.
Please REPORT inappropriate posts, and they'll be removed. Don't reply and add additional flames to the fire.
From know on every post deemed inappropriate by me will result in one warning, followed by removal from the forum.
No excuses, no second chances.

Think carefully before you type.

thanks gerry.

[JimBoyce]

I received wonderful help here regarding electronics and I'm very thankful for that. I have noticed that electronic problems no matter how idiotic are treated respectfully, but in the mechanical area simple problems are jumped upon with snide and degrading replies. Just a thought.